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re: The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power S1, Episode 3 Thread | Amazon | Available Now
Posted on 9/13/22 at 11:37 pm to Scoob
Posted on 9/13/22 at 11:37 pm to Scoob
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But maybe, swords? Is that where the kid's hidden sword comes from? It seems clearly made by Sauron, or at least with his influence.
I believe the broken sword is Saurons and that's what the orcs are looking for in the towns that they've been raiding. Maybe Sauron needs the sword to regain his powers or his physical form again. The sword is trying to draw the kids blood from his hand and when a little reaches the mark of Sauron is when the black spirit fog starts swirling around and the blackspeach starts. So maybe Adar is some sort of necromancer trying to conjur Sauron and needs the sword. Similar to LOTR.
I COULD BE WAY THE frick OFF. IVE NEVER READ THE BOOKS NOR STUDIED ANY OF THE CLIFFS. I'VE WATCHED BOTH THE LOTR AND THE HOBBIT TRILOGIES COUNTLESS TIMES AND THINK THEY'RE AWESOME. I'VE REALLY ENJOYED THIS SHIW SO FAR.
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 6:15 am to spacewrangler
quote:No doubt
I believe the broken sword is Saurons and that's what the orcs are looking for in the towns that they've been raiding.
quote:possible... it's not part of the lore (the way the Rings get forged, and by whom, for example), but it's also not NOT part. We simply know Sauron didn't go away after the First Age, but went into hiding awhile.
Maybe Sauron needs the sword to regain his powers or his physical form again. The sword is trying to draw the kids blood from his hand and when a little reaches the mark of Sauron is when the black spirit fog starts swirling around and the blackspeach starts. So maybe Adar is some sort of necromancer trying to conjur Sauron and needs the sword. Similar to LOTR.
quote:Glad you like it
I COULD BE WAY THE frick OFF. IVE NEVER READ THE BOOKS NOR STUDIED ANY OF THE CLIFFS. I'VE WATCHED BOTH THE LOTR AND THE HOBBIT TRILOGIES COUNTLESS TIMES AND THINK THEY'RE AWESOME. I'VE REALLY ENJOYED THIS SHIW SO FAR
A little backstory, which won't spoil anything; just a clarification of the first episode's flashback.
Morgoth was the Big Bad, Sauron was his 2nd, and the Balrogs and Dragons were part of his forces (along with Orcs etc).
The Valar (which roughly equates the Olympic gods, in number and overall power levels) serve Eru (who equals God). Morgoth was more powerful than any one Valar.
At the end of the First Age, the Valar move in force to take down Morgoth, literally destroying the continent everyone was on in the process. Think: erasing Europe from the map, and the Atlantic now goes to Russia, everything West of that is gone and under water.
So, they didn't get Sauron, the Balrog in Moria, Smaug up in the Northeast by the Lonely Mountain etc. But because of the scale of destruction that occurred, the remaining bad guys laid REALLY low for awhile, like thousands of years without poking their heads up. For fear of getting dog-stomped like what happened to Morgoth.
So during those centuries (millennia), the Elves- who don't age- remember. The Men in Numenor have knowledge of history, the Men on Middle Earth have vague legends (and since they were on the wrong team, what little they know might be incorrect. They're scared of the Elves, for instance). The Dwarves have history, but also tended to stay out of that, their realms are still mostly intact; while the Elves had to relocate East and closer to them.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 6:50 am to DMagic
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WHATS IN THE BOX
Keeping it secret from the Elves with concern of them finding it out my guess right now is somehow they found one of the Silmarils.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 6:51 am to SammyTiger
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He could easily be the witch king.
That would be an interesting arc and not one ever told. So I would like to see that play out.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 6:57 am to spacewrangler
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I believe the broken sword is Saurons and that's what the orcs are looking for in the towns that they've been raiding.
Yes I think it is his sword as well and what they are looking for.
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So maybe Adar is some sort of necromancer trying to conjur Sauron and needs the sword. Similar to LOTR.
Adar I am pretty sure is a former Elf from the last great battle that survived and was converted but the
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necromancer
In the Hobbit the necromancer was actually Sauron and according to some of the lore he was in physical form as the necromancer. Sauron was able to return in physical form after the ring was cut off but took him some time and was not able to regain full strength in physical form as so much was tied to the ring and hence why he needed it back.
The movies used the Red/Great Eye as the only form for him but that was not the case.
There is a quote by Golem when he was a prisoner
quote:Speaking of his fingers and missing one.
'He has only four on the Black Hand, but they are enough.'
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 7:05 am
Posted on 9/14/22 at 7:43 am to Sgt Tuffnuts
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I'm no Tolkien scholar, but I'd bet my next paycheck that the Moon Man is Gandalph.
To me there was one shot that they kind of focused on for a second or two longer than they probably had to where his facial structure looked a lot like Saruman's from the PJ films. Of course that doesn't really mean anything, but I'm sure they try to cast people that look at least similar to their PJ counterparts.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 8:03 am to TideWarrior
It seems to me like they are trying to write Halbrand as the dark Aragorn. King in exile, doesn't want to take up his crown (Peter Jackson's version Aragorn, not Tolkien's version), likely sword of his ancestors broken and needs to be reforged. I think we will see Halbrand do some truly heroic stuff over the first couple of seasons before he inevitably falls to Sauron's influence and becoming the Witch King.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:21 am to TideWarrior
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Hobbit the necromancer was actually Sauron and according to some of the lore he was in physical form as the necromancer.
It was Sauron but he could not take a physical form because his body died when Neuminor fell. That is why in LOTRs he is always displayed as a fiery, all seeing, never dying eye.
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episode 3 Sauron
In my mind, yes, I feel about 95% sure that was Sauron in his physical form before he was captured and force to serve the king of numenor.
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he Men in Numenor have knowledge of history
It is important to understand the men of Numenor at this time had extremly long life-spans. For instance, Aaragon's great time like 26 grand sire lived to be about 500 to 600 years old. Aarogon lived to the age of like 218 years old. So had he not been killed by the one ring, Isiadore would probably have lived to about 450 to 500 years. That is not all men, but the blood line of the Numenorians who came over after the fall of their island and became the Dunadine.
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 9:30 am
Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:26 am to TigerNutwhack
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It seems to me like they are trying to write Halbrand as the dark Aragorn. King in exile, doesn't want to take up his crown (Peter Jackson's version Aragorn, not Tolkien's version), likely sword of his ancestors broken and needs to be reforged. I think we will see Halbrand do some truly heroic stuff over the first couple of seasons before he inevitably falls to Sauron's influence and becoming the Witch King.
Yeah I had That thought as well, but lineage wise idk if it adds up.
(Of course, we know Aragorn is the defendant of Isildur but obviously there will be other male ancestors
In that line)
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 9:41 am
Posted on 9/14/22 at 10:11 am to SammyTiger
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Yeah I had That thought as well, but lineage wise idk if it adds up.
(Of course, we know Aragorn is the defendant of Isildur but obviously there will be other male ancestors
In that line)
I might be misunderstanding what you're saying, but I'm not suggesting that Halbrand is part of the Numenorian line, but he's the descendant of a king that was committed to Morgoth thus the "King in Exile".
Speculation time:
By the end of the season, Adar will be captured and returned to Numenor. Whether he's Sauron or not, he'll begin the corruption of Ar-Farazond to the worship of Morgoth.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:31 am to TigerNutwhack
Ready for episode 4 to come out to see who Adar is and the meteor man.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:38 am to CP3LSU25
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Ready for episode 4 to come out to see who Adar is and the meteor man.
So do you now like the show? You went months bashing it 24/7 and now you're looking forward to each episode
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 11:39 am
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:55 am to iwyLSUiwy
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So do you now like the show? You went months bashing it 24/7 and now you're looking forward to each episode
I like LOTR and tolkien.
I watched LSU football in 2020. Why would i watch LSU football when they weren’t good. I’ve been a huge fan all my life. Who would have thought
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 11:57 am
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:20 pm to CP3LSU25
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I watched LSU football in 2020. Why would i watch LSU football when they weren’t good. I’ve been a huge fan all my life. Who would have thought
But by supporting 2020 LSU football does that make you a commie racist prog?
You melted as much as somebody could ever possibly melt before a show. On a level that is even hard to explain. Anybody that was looking forward to the show was a soy boy racist prog. Now you're looking forward to it each week
That's hilarious. Maybe now you wont turn into a crazy psycho before a show comes out after this. Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:27 pm to CP3LSU25
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I watched LSU football in 2020.
We were 5-5- in 2020
That’s 5/10.
Lower score than you have the first episode.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 1:00 pm to FreddieMac
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It was Sauron but he could not take a physical form because his body died when Neuminor fell. That is why in LOTRs he is always displayed as a fiery, all seeing, never dying eye.
The writings actually do not say that.
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Númenor was destroyed and the army that reached Aman was buried under mountains of falling rock and imprisoned in the Caves of the Forgotten. The world was bent, so that thereafter, only Elven-Ships could sail into the Utter West. Sauron's body was destroyed, but his spirit was not diminished, and he fled back to Mordor bearing the Ring, where he slowly rebuilt a new body and his strength.
He was still able to regain a physical form.
The next event at the battle of the Last Alliance
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Then Isildur, son of Elendil, took up his father's broken sword, Narsil, and used it to cut the One Ring from Sauron's finger. While Sauron's physical body was destroyed, his spirit endured and fled.
After that it was never set in stone that he never came again in physical form. Jackson used the eye to represent him for the movie but that was not from the books exactly.
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In the year TA 1000, Sauron at last began to rise again, occupying the stronghold of Dol Guldur, the Hill of Sorcery, in southern Mirkwood in TA 1050. There, he used the guise of a dreaded sorcerer known as "the Necromancer", and the Elves did not realize at first that he was actually the hidden Dark Lord.
Now this is important because of another event
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While the Dark Lord continued to gather his strength, the Nine reappeared in the year TA 1300, and began steadily assaulting the Númenórean kingdoms in exile, ultimately destroying the North-kingdom of Arnor and gravely weakening the South-kingdom of Gondor.
The Nazgul cannot take physical form as long Sauron can not.
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Though no longer able to maintain physical form, just as Sauron was after losing the One Ring, both the Nazgûl and Sauron were able to endure as long as the Ring survived.
When Sauron gained back his physical form, even though less powerful without the ring, the Nazgul reappeared as well in physical form.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 1:04 pm to SammyTiger
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We were 5-5- in 2020
Bro is correct. LOTR (Jackson) is to the 2019 national championship as Rings of Power is to the 1994 LSU Tigers (Curley Hallmen era); but we still watched the games.
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 9/14/22 at 1:38 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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But by supporting 2020 LSU football does that make you a commie racist prog? You melted as much as somebody could ever possibly melt before a show. On a level that is even hard to explain. Anybody that was looking forward to the show was a soy boy racist prog. Now you're looking forward to it each week That's hilarious. Maybe now you wont turn into a crazy psycho before a show comes out after this
White guilt woke liberals are truly mentally ill
Posted on 9/14/22 at 1:40 pm to FreddieMac
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Bro is correct. LOTR (Jackson) is to the 2019 national championship as Rings of Power is to the 1994 LSU Tigers (Curley Hallmen era); but we still watched the games.
Not only do the woke want to ruin everything you enjoy but they also want to tell you that you can or cannot watch something now.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 1:55 pm to CP3LSU25
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I like LOTR and tolkien.
I watched LSU football in 2020. Why would i watch LSU football when they weren’t good. I’ve been a huge fan all my life. Who would have though
So, you have continued to watch LSU football, even when they have cast black men as quarterbacks? Everyone knows that, in ancient LSU lore, QBs are traditionally white.
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