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re: 'The Little Mermaid' Official Trailer | Disney
Posted on 3/14/23 at 2:01 pm to SlimTigerSlap
Posted on 3/14/23 at 2:01 pm to SlimTigerSlap
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You take issue because you can't seem to differentiate between addition and replacement.
No I take issue because you said something didn't happen simply because the original still exists. That's not retarded. That's you being intellectually dishonest.
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he answer is because they own the property and can do what they will with it.
"Just because." is lot less sufficient answer than people have given for why they don't like the change.
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It's my belief that all things old eventually die out. The future generation will lean into the newer stuff. This is a personal opinion.
So it's your belief or opinion but you still haven't given any reasons why you believe that.
Surely you can see why your opinions on all these things seem very light weight. You aren't putting anything behind them to prop them up. Your opinions and beliefs are yours but surely you have reasons for them other than "just because".
You call a line of thinking retarded, but you've said nothing to back up why you think the way you do. Can you see why it's easy to dismiss your opinions?
For the record, I think the race swapping issue is completely different than the lazy remake nostalgia grabs of Disney remakes. I haven't brought up race in this thread, but you did when you responded to me.
This post was edited on 3/14/23 at 2:02 pm
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Posted on 3/14/23 at 2:13 pm to QJenk
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Ok, now explain the Jamaican crab.
He was an employee or an indentured servant. After all, Ariels father was a king. So there would be an expectation that he had servants. Thats what kings do
Or do you think the people working on southern plantations didnt have a foreign accent/language when they arrived?
Posted on 3/14/23 at 2:20 pm to RobbBobb
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RobbBobb
Posted on 3/14/23 at 2:22 pm to VinegarStrokes
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Here's an anecdotal take...my kids (7 and 4 yr old boys) ask ask to watch the animated classics 10 times out of 10 when we have movie nights at the house.
And its the very reason that Disney plus even exists. They said in their press releases that they wanted fans to have access to ALL YOUR FAVORITE CLASSICS (well, not Song of the South anyway)
Posted on 3/14/23 at 2:33 pm to RollTide1987
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Ariel is a fictional cartoon character. Her skin colon is incredibly irrelevant.
See...I would 100% agree with you if the door swung both ways, but it doesn't. If they were to cast Austin Butler to play Blade or Colin Farrell to play T'Challa, there would be an outcry the likes of which Hollywood has never seen before.
But when they cast a black person in traditionally white roles, that's supposed to be okay and we are told to accept it.
Do you get this ornery with every depiction of a white Jesus?
I mean it seems you are so stuck on wanting to be 100% accurate to source material
Posted on 3/14/23 at 3:02 pm to Bronc
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Listen, I’m sorry to break this to you, but fish women with red hair and white skin and lungs that do sing alongs with octopus wizards are not actually real. And neither are Jamaican accented singing crabs. Never have been, never were.
And if you can somehow accept that a white fish woman and a Jamaican singing crab can exist for the sake of a story, but not a fish woman with melanin telling that same exact fantastical story, it’s cause you have a problem with the women with melanin….
This isnt the issue. Its about representation. Which would mean that basically black people have been excluded from media.
And this just isnt the case, youd think no black person has ever been in film before.
But hey, South Africa did this and they are doing great.
Posted on 3/14/23 at 3:07 pm to JasonMason
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No I take issue because you said something didn't happen simply because the original still exists. That's not retarded. That's you being intellectually dishonest.
Link?
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So it's your belief or opinion but you still haven't given any reasons why you believe that.
Because it always happens. Believe it or not, LeBron is probably more recognizable than Jordan now.
This post was edited on 3/14/23 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 3/14/23 at 3:30 pm to SlimTigerSlap
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You can't white/black/brown wash something if the original demands all the attention.
You just said this a few pages ago. So if the original is more popular then the "white/black/brown washing" didn't happen?
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Because it always happens. Believe it or not, LeBron is probably more recognizable than Jordan now.
Michael Jordan hasn't played in the NBA in 20 years. That's not even close to the same thing. That's actually an idiotic comparison.
The original Little Mermaid is still widely watched by kids today. She's all over their theme parks and merchandise. Kids aren't watching Michael Jordan play basketball.
Posted on 3/14/23 at 3:39 pm to JasonMason
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You can't white/black/brown wash something if the original demands all the attention.
You just said this a few pages ago. So if the original is more popular then the "white/black/brown washing" didn't happen?
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Because it always happens. Believe it or not, LeBron is probably more recognizable than Jordan now.
Michael Jordan hasn't played in the NBA in 20 years. That's not even close to the same thing. That's actually an idiotic comparison.
The original Little Mermaid is still widely watched by kids today. She's all over their theme parks and merchandise. Kids aren't watching Michael Jordan play basketball.
I see what I'm up against now. I'm backing down.
Posted on 3/14/23 at 3:43 pm to JasonMason
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Sweet copy and paste bro! Here goes Bronc moving those goal posts again.
Your inability to read and continually concoct strawmen is not evidence of goalpost moving, it's evidence of your bad faith and/or illiteracy.
You struggled to grasp that BO revenue does not paint the full picture of a product lifecycle's revenue or business value, then struggled to grasp a point that isn't 100% one or the other.
My point has been incredibly consistent since the start of our conversation, and you have demonstrated a consistent inability to absorb words in their proper context. Either intentionally or through ignorance(ironic you accusing the other poster above of exactly the behavior you have been engaging in).
Continuing to do it may offer you some sense of victory through attrition, but you've typed probably around a 1000 words over the last 24 hours and somehow managed to say nothing and make zero points. It's actually rather remarkable in a way.
This post was edited on 3/14/23 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 3/14/23 at 3:52 pm to LouisianaLonghorn
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Disney has already announced that Snow white will be played by Colombian-American actress Rachel Zegler, who starred as Maria in the recent West Side Story remake.
Posted on 3/14/23 at 4:15 pm to Bronc
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concoct strawmen
You've literally been shifting the goal posts ever since.
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You struggled to grasp that BO revenue does not paint the full picture of a product lifecycle's revenue or business value, then struggled to grasp a point that isn't 100% one or the other.
If this is the game you want to play, the live action remakes will NEVER have the same return as the animated originals.
You're also being disingenuous because physical movie sales and digital movie sales (after taking into account related expenses) are a fraction of what a film brings in.
But again, you only brought those up after I corrected your claim that Dumbo doubled its budget. Again you are moving goalposts and straying further and further from the initial point. You only brought up "the full life cycle" after you were correct and now you're pretending you didn't say what you said.
You don't even admit you keep shifting the conversation. And the only retard backing you up is trying to compare sports generations to classic movies that outlast any generation's sports star.
This post was edited on 3/14/23 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 3/14/23 at 4:20 pm to SlimTigerSlap
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I see what I'm up against now. I'm backing down.
This is what I'm talking about. You have not demonstrated you have the brain power to back up your own opinions. So you try these emotional pleas instead of anything resembling a fully formed thought. If you think top athletes of a generation are comparable to the reach of a movie that still gets watched millions of times a year 30 years after its release, I don't know what to tell you.
Consider it this way. Each generation of kids grows up watching their star. LeBron or Jordan in this case. Guess what, both of those generations grew up watching the original little mermaid thanks to VHS, DVD, blu ray, streaming etc.
It's not even the same comparison and you should feel dumb for making it. I don't think you have kids if you don't understand this.
Posted on 3/14/23 at 4:57 pm to JasonMason
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You've literally been shifting the goal posts ever since.
My man, our conversation has amounted to little more than this:
ME:
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Most of these films when they hit, hit because of international audiences(FACT, 60-70% of almost all remakes are international sales). And a lot of those territories are not going to be awash in Disney culture the way America is. Let alone for a film from the 1980's that mostly released here.
You: Are you LITERALLY saying International audiences haven't heard of Disney princess films?
Me: No, stop playing stupid
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....do you really not see why international appeal hits more quadrants than America? Yes there is plenty of familiarity as far as American IP's go, so there is the nostalgia factor too, but there is vastly more potential newcomers to these remakes than you will find in America. Which helps grow the brand.
You: So let me get this straight, you are literally saying international audiences haven't heard of Disney films
Me: Again, no. let me post what I said for the umpteenth time
You: Why do you keep saying no foreigners know Disney?
....You: Why you moving goal posts!!!!
.........You: ***RETARD DROOLING***
This post was edited on 3/14/23 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 3/14/23 at 5:04 pm to JasonMason
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If this is the game you want to play, the live action remakes will NEVER have the same return as the animated originals.
Who has said this? Who is arguing this point?
I once again refer to my previous observations/posts:
Your inability to read and continually concoct strawmen is not evidence of goalpost moving, it's evidence of your bad faith and/or illiteracy.
Posted on 3/14/23 at 5:20 pm to Bronc
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Who has said this? Who is arguing this point?
Give up. It's like talking to a paint can.
I said you can't [insert color] wash a character/film if the original is more prevalent, and from that, he decided that I said that if the new films are unsuccessful they "never happened."
Instant migraine.
Posted on 3/14/23 at 7:26 pm to SlimTigerSlap
White knighting for a Disney princess movie reboot.
Yikes.
Yikes.
Posted on 3/14/23 at 7:31 pm to roadGator
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White knighting for a Disney princess movie reboot. Yikes.
Strange World, pun intended.
Posted on 3/14/23 at 8:13 pm to RLDSC FAN
I didn't read this thread, but brought it up to my wife and she said...
"Well, that's fricking stupid. I mean, when they remade The Lion King they didn't make Simba a jaguar."
And that, folks, is the funniest shite I've ever heard her say in 10 years.
"Well, that's fricking stupid. I mean, when they remade The Lion King they didn't make Simba a jaguar."
And that, folks, is the funniest shite I've ever heard her say in 10 years.
Posted on 3/14/23 at 8:27 pm to Bronc
You’re getting owned again lol.
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