re: 'The Little Mermaid' Official Trailer | Disney

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That's fine. You never really gave any reason why you believe the live action remakes are the new standards.

Make no mistake, Disney will merchandise the remakes and will sell plenty, but after a year or two that stuff goes away. If you search Lion King or Beauty and the Beast on the shop site it goes straight to the classics. So movies that are 30 years old are still selling merch while the more recent films aren't to any significant amount to where they show up in the initial search results.

So I'm not sure what we are disagreeing about because you haven't really provided anything to the contrary that's even anecdotal like asking 8 year olds.

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Here's an anecdotal take...my kids (7 and 4 yr old boys) ask ask to watch the animated classics 10 times out of 10 when we have movie nights at the house. They lose attention with the live actions and have only watched them once each if at all.

There was a time where all they wanted to watch was the Aristocats and 101 Dalmations on loop.

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Are you under the impression that because the originals didn't have world wide releases that the original characters are unknown?

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Again, you need to sound out your words and learn to read, this is the 4th time repeating myself:

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Most of these films when they hit, hit because of international audiences. And a lot of those territories are not going to be awash in Disney culture the way America is. Let alone for a film from the 1980's that mostly released here.

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I guess cause you love to argue by playing stupid, but do you really not see why international appeal hits more quadrants than America? Yes there is plenty of familiarity as far as American IP's go, so there is the nostalgia factor too, but there is vastly more potential newcomers to these remakes than you will find in America. Which helps grow the brand.

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If you truly think Disney is 100% going for a nostalgia play, domestically focused, and not also banking on brand expansion, penetration, and revitalization, especially internationally, and that international markets are a major component to that, I don't know what to tell you but that you're an idiot.

Ninja Turtles proved way back in 1990 that it’s difficult to adapt from animation to live action and make a comparable product. It was like adapting superheroes to video games. Lots of meh with a couple gems(Arkham and spidey)

I agree it makes them soulless if that makes sense. The songs seem like bad karaoke to me.

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what they have done to my boy Sebastian

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Oh the irony of changing Ariel's race, but Sebastian's Jamaican accent is sacred.

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Oh the irony of changing Ariel's race, but Sebastian's Jamaican accent is sacred.

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Race is a human construct.

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Business is not a zero-sum, all-or-nothing approach. Disney's goal is to produce profitable content and they look to target investments into 4 quadrant content, meaning films that can appeal to under 25, over 25, male and female audiences.

Their brand exposure internationally is simply much smaller per capita than the brand penetration in America. Therefore, when producing these movies there is both an eye toward nostalgia AND brand growth. Nostalgia serves as an obvious backstop and risk mitigation, as these films seem to be critic-proof, and nostalgia that has penetration into all quadrants. But internationally, where their brands are not as awash as America, there is much greater added newcomer potential. Along with knockdown effects on brand and IP growth, along with boosting sales to accompanying products and services such as parks, cruises, merchandise, streaming services, and old content. This is born out in the revenue, where these films often do 60-70% of their revenue overseas.

Stop playing stupid and pretending you cant read to try and win arguments, it just makes you sound like a idiot.

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Sweet copy and paste bro! Here goes Bronc moving those goal posts again. The discussion started about Dumbo and doubling their budget. You simply would not concede that Box Office does not equal Disney's revenue. Let's not even talk about marketing not being part of production budgets. Instead of doing that simple thing, you decided to shift the conversation to licensing royalties, dvd sales and digital sales

Now the conversation moves to the little mermaid and other live action remakes and you want to pretend that the MAIN goal is to grow these vast swaths of untapped audience. So yes in your screed overall I would say Disney is trying to grow the brand. That's why they make movies like the incredibles and frozen. That's not why they make live action remakes (hint it's majority about nostalgia).

So lets take your 4 quadrants. Under 25, over 25, male and female. Which one do you think is most unaware of the little mermaid (a character that's been around for 30+ years that has spawned sequels, a tv series, a live little mermaid musical, countless pieces of merchandise, rides in theme parks......)? Is it the over 25? nope Is it the under 25? maybe if you are talking under 10 and even then it's a small number. Is it males? nope. Is it females? nope. So where is this vast unaware audience coming from for the little mermaid.

So again you move the goal posts by talking about Disney's overall strategy when we are talking about the little mermaid. So it's less about sounding stupid and more about you constantly shifting the focus of the conversation so that you never have to admit to yourself that you're wrong. You do this a lot. There's no good faith discussions with you because you just try and shift focus when you are wrong.

@JasonMason,

You make the argument that these remakes don't stand the test of times and that kids consistently go back to the originals. If this is your belief, why does it matter what changes are made to the remake? You can't white/black/brown wash something if the original demands all the attention.

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I don't remember bringing that up in this thread. If you want to go that route, if it doesn't matter then why change them?

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You're trying to answer a question with a question. The answer is because they own the property and can do what they will with it.

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You still never answered my question though. You did not state anything to support your belief that the remakes are the new standard for kids today. I'm willing to hear out your argument or reasoning. You just haven't given any.

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It's my belief that all things old eventually die out. The future generation will lean into the newer stuff. This is a personal opinion.

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I take issue with this though. So if it's unsuccessful that means it didn't happen? That's kind of a silly statement.

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You take issue because you can't seem to differentiate between addition and replacement. This is along the same line as when people claim their favorite movie or series was ruined due to a bad sequel or remake. I find this line of thinking retarded. The movie/series they love still exist.