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re: 'The Last of Us' Season 2 Discussion Thread | No Game Spoilers/Discussion
Posted on 5/21/25 at 12:06 pm to Corinthians420
Posted on 5/21/25 at 12:06 pm to Corinthians420
Ok I give up, you're tiresome. This show is equal to Game of Thrones in every aspect through two seasons and is actually better than season one and getting better with every episode. Writers are doing a great job and Ellie is a fantastic lead character and a story that everyone can rally behind.
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Posted on 5/21/25 at 12:08 pm to Corinthians420
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It is review bombing. People that were mad about the 2nd game came ready to review bomb the 2nd season.
You're literally the only person I have encountered here or IRL that is defending this show to this degree.
There are people in this thread that have posted on this board for awhile that I consider pretty level headed when it comes to critique of shows and aren't all caught up in the "politics" of the show and just want to see a good story on screen.
And pretty much every single one feels the same way that I do, that this story just isn't good at this point. Not the way it's been adapted to the screen from episode to episode. It has its moments (like the most recent flashback episode) but post-Joel/Pascal it's missing a really strong lead character to push the story forward. And that doesn't have anything to do with gay relationships or how an actress looks. It's as simple as having the gravitas and chemistry with other characters to really connect with the audience. I don't hate Bella Ramsey like others, but she just doesn't have "IT" in this show on a consistent enough basis to carry it.
The distaste with this show, at least here by those posters that are pretty rational and alot of folks who I know IRL who are disappointed, isn't "review bombing". It's just pointing out poor consistency in acting and writing at this point.
This post was edited on 5/21/25 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 5/21/25 at 12:11 pm to Corinthians420
quote:You are stating there is a direct correlation between popularity and quality.
Drizz statement was there is no correlation between popularity and quality. Thats asinine.
That is incorrect and has been proven incorrect in many studies since the 1960s and earlier. You are more than welcome to look it up and educate yourself.
Quality CAN effect popularity, but popularity is not reliant on quality. And quality does not guarantee popularity. You spouting torrent data and naming poor quality shows that failed and good quality shows that were popular does not mean that is the result every time.
Again, feel free to look up popularity correlation to quality.
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Popularity and quality are often seen as distinct concepts, and while there can be a correlation between them, it's not always a strong or direct one. Popularity can be influenced by factors beyond quality, and high popularity doesn't necessarily equate to high quality, nor does low popularity mean poor quality.
Posted on 5/21/25 at 12:14 pm to iwyLSUiwy
The show can suffer a drop in quality and also experience review bombing which exaggerates the drop-off. Anyone that went to school should understand what turning in 4 Bs and a 0 does to your grade rather than 4 Bs and a 60 F.
Posted on 5/21/25 at 12:17 pm to Corinthians420
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The show can suffer a drop in quality and also experience review bombing which exaggerates the drop-off. Anyone that went to school should understand what turning in 4 Bs and a 0 does to your grade rather than 4 Bs and a 60 F.
Then what is your answer to legitimate criticisms of the show that are not review bombing by people who aren't rooting for this show to fail?
You sky screaming that it's review bombing doesn't account for that.
Posted on 5/21/25 at 12:19 pm to BluegrassBelle
There are legitimate criticisms. The show is still good but some episodes could be better like episode 4 couldve ended after the underground chase and not added all the stuff at the end.
We just had 9/10 episode. We had an entire first season of great episodes. Having a few episodes that werent as good doesnt erase all the great episodes.
Just like the endings of lost and game of thrones dont make them not good shows.
You add up 8 A's 5 B's and 2 C's and you still have a good grade.
We just had 9/10 episode. We had an entire first season of great episodes. Having a few episodes that werent as good doesnt erase all the great episodes.
Just like the endings of lost and game of thrones dont make them not good shows.
You add up 8 A's 5 B's and 2 C's and you still have a good grade.
This post was edited on 5/21/25 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 5/21/25 at 12:28 pm to Corinthians420
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There are legitimate criticisms.
You've pretty much discounted anyone here who has had legitimate criticisms.
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The show is still good but some episodes could be better like episode 4 couldve ended after the underground chase and not added all the stuff at the end.
Good is definitely relative. I think it's just "ok" at this point. And for a lot of people it's no longer appointment watching either.
I think this Time article (that couldn't release spoilers at the time because it was a pre-screened review so no "outside" fan influence) probably sums it up pretty succinctly:
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Season 2 feels insubstantial in other ways, too. Probably because its seven episodes constitute only a partial adaptation of The Last of Us Part II, whereas the nine-part first season covered the entire original game, the story is stretched too thin. Development of apparently crucial new characters like Abby and Isaac is minimal. While Season 1 had a few dazzling standalone episodes that broadened and deepened the show’s world, this follow up is oddly workmanlike; one flashback episode plays like a pale imitation of those highlights. And the finale is so abrupt and unsatisfying, it took me a while to realize it was the finale. In that sense, The Last of Us’s sophomore outing reminds me of Squid Game’s glacially paced second season, which ends just as the action is ramping up, in what comes off as a ploy to mine an international smash for maximum content. Both shows are in danger of becoming victims of their own success.
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Not that The Last of Us has ever been, for all the breathless praise it’s received, a flawless work of art. It’s true that the performances are excellent and the production design astounding. These elements remain the show’s biggest assets in Season 2, even if the attenuated plot restricts the visual inventiveness somewhat. While her character is a bit of a dream girl, Merced (Alien: Romulus) makes a charming addition; Dever, Wright, and O’Hara are predictably wonderful, though I wish we got to see more of them. Amid goofy fan service like Twisted Metal and The Witcher, it’s still the best video-game adaptation on TV. Yet to pretend that The Last of Us completely transcends its original medium would be to ignore the hole at the center of the show where insight and complexity and rich supporting characters should be. What fill out the episodes instead are extended zombie-battle scenes and long, silent sequences where people explore gorgeously decaying spaces. At those moments, you might as well be watching someone play a video game.
So yes, it's a visually stunning production. But it sorely lacks the richness of characters to actually carry the show. And honestly, it pisses me off a bit that they're wasting some excellent actors such as Wright and Devers right now.
Time Season 2 Review from April pre-screening
Posted on 5/21/25 at 12:30 pm to Corinthians420
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We just had 9/10 episode. We had an entire first season of great episodes. Having a few episodes that werent as good doesnt erase all the great episodes
It does when majority of the episodes aren't as good.
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Just like the endings of lost and game of thrones dont make them not good shows.
I never watched Lost so I won't comment on that. But I'm a big GoT/ASOIAF person, so I have to really disagree with that. The last season makes it a tough rewatch, even as good as it was before they ran out of written content.
Posted on 5/21/25 at 12:41 pm to BluegrassBelle
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I'm a big GoT/ASOIAF person, so I have to really disagree with that. The last season makes it a tough rewatch, even as good as it was before they ran out of written content.
Im the opposite. The last seasons are the ones I watched the least because i rewatched all the seasons before a new one would come out. I have seen the first 5 seasons probably 8+ times by now so they count for more than the final seasons (half-seasons)
Posted on 5/21/25 at 10:11 pm to Corinthians420
Finally caught up on this season tonight.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 10:05 pm to LasVegasTiger
Just watched 6, awful.
Posted on 5/23/25 at 2:09 am to Corinthians420
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Im the opposite. The last seasons are the ones I watched the least because i rewatched all the seasons before a new one would come out. I have seen the first 5 seasons probably 8+ times by now so they count for more than the final seasons (half-seasons)
Cool.
Few people feel that way.
Probably the same amount that think S2 of TLOU is really good
Posted on 5/23/25 at 2:12 pm to t00f
I was jazzed to see Tony Dalton show up in that episode.
Posted on 5/23/25 at 6:34 pm to Corinthians420
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It is review bombing. People that were mad about the 2nd game came ready to review bomb the 2nd season.
I thoroughly enjoyed Part 2, and I have been severely disappointed by Season 2.
Posted on 5/23/25 at 10:05 pm to nosaj
I am not saying ive loved every episode. Im just pointing out that review bombing is definitely going on based on the measurements that episode 2 and episode 6 got 1 star ratings climbing when both episodes were pretty damn good, especially episode 2.
Episode 2 had 3% 1 star votes until episode 3 and 4 then it climbed to near 8% cuz people went back and voted 1 star on it to try to bomb the overall.
Its completely fair to rate episode 3 4 and 5 as D grade, but they werent 0s
Personally id go C, C, B.
4 wouldve been B+ if they didnt do the love scene to end it
Episode 2 had 3% 1 star votes until episode 3 and 4 then it climbed to near 8% cuz people went back and voted 1 star on it to try to bomb the overall.
Its completely fair to rate episode 3 4 and 5 as D grade, but they werent 0s
Personally id go C, C, B.
4 wouldve been B+ if they didnt do the love scene to end it
This post was edited on 5/23/25 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 5/25/25 at 5:29 pm to Corinthians420
Trailer insinuates that Abby and Ellie meet, but I don't think it will happen, if so the next two seasons will be made up thing that don't exist in the game or flashbacks. We will see soon.
Posted on 5/25/25 at 5:57 pm to Corinthians420
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You add up 8 A's 5 B's and 2 C's and you still have a good grade.
That’s if your class was finished. This show has pretty much started. I will say up until the Joel episode it was solid. After that it’s mostly bad grades based off actors that can carry the show and motivate me to want to root for them. If this “class” continues like it is it will be a failure. It’s like the student did good and mom and dad rewarded them so now they feel like they can coast on what they did before. But before we had a strong lead in Joel that I wanted to succeed but now I have the opposite.
Posted on 5/25/25 at 6:12 pm to tigersaint26
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How Queer Love Grounds ‘The Last of Us’ Above All Else — Despite The Online Backlash
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Many fans of the show, including myself, wondered how it would continue to evolve without that central Ellie and Joel relationship. But the refreshing care the writers have placed in naturally developing Ellie and Dina’s relationship, in juxtaposition to all the ensuing ripples of violence following Joel’s death, shows that queer love is the grounding force at the center of “The Last of Us” — and always has been. Because while the Bill and Frank episode from Season 1 may not have had the same story implications as the more action-packed episodes, it ties into the larger themes of love finding a way forward against the ruin of everything else.
Not all viewers appear to agree, though. Season 2 has a 39% audience rating on Rotten Tomatoes compared to Season 1’s audience rating of 86%, mirroring the equally strong reaction by gamers to Joel’s death in “Part II.” Like the game’s backlash, which saw actors like Laura Bailey (who originally voiced Abby) receiving death threats, Season 2 is also enduring some cruel review bombing driven by homophobia around Ellie and Dina’s love story. “Long, Long Time” suffered a similar reaction when it first aired, but the negative reactions to this season have been particularly distributing to see — and a sad reflection of the kind of hateful rhetoric becoming more and more common under the political climate.
LINK
Cmon Variety
This post was edited on 5/25/25 at 6:13 pm
Posted on 5/25/25 at 6:28 pm to t00f
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Just watched 6, awful.
I disliked 3, 4, and 5. I thought 6 was petty good.
Posted on 5/25/25 at 6:36 pm to Jay Are
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thought 6 was petty good.
I think most people did...and that's the problem this season. It's just not as good when Joel isn't in it. Ramsey is pretty good as young Ellie, not so as older Ellie. And she's just not good enough to carry the show.
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