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Posted on 11/15/21 at 7:15 pm to SoDakHawk
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I need confirmation as to what cut I need to watch to get all these deleted scenes. I've watched the Godfather Saga, the chronological one on AMC, but don't remember these scenes. The Saga is the best way to watch 1 & 2. Just fantastic.
Should be in the saga, but all the deleted scenes are on youtube.
And yes, Moe Green had to go. He was based on Bugsy Seigel, and was stealing from the mafia.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 7:19 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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"There's a book?"
Yes, a quaint little tale from 1969 entitled "The Many Adventures of Lucy Mancini's Vagina and Those Who Passed Betwixt." A portion of the story concerning her dead husband's family was adapted into The Godfather.
I don't remember details from the book anymore, but Woltz had been around Hollywood for a long time and was used to tough guys trying to shake him down or get parts for their girlfriends or whatever. The shock value of the horse lets him and - more importantly - the audience know that the Corleone's and their enforcers are different. They're not just cruel, they're calm and creative. And will come and go as they please.
The setup of the Senator with the dead hooker in II was more shocking to me personally, in terms of establishing how far they'd go.
This post was edited on 11/15/21 at 7:21 pm
Posted on 11/15/21 at 7:59 pm to Fewer Kilometers
That's a good point. Also, it was important for the Don to remain anonymous. Killing a 600k world renown horse. would not go unnoticed. The thing was famous and probably had a lot of trainers and stud dates lined up. People would start asking questions, which would lead to the police and the mob didn't have the same control over police and judges in LA.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 7:59 pm to BorrisMart
Moe Greene had to go, even if Fredo was useless he was still the family. That's obvious by Michael's line about never taking sides with anyone but the family again. Plus it's foreshadowing to Godfather II.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 8:17 pm to rebelrouser
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That's a good point. Also, it was important for the Don to remain anonymous. Killing a 600k world renown horse. would not go unnoticed. The thing was famous and probably had a lot of trainers and stud dates lined up. People would start asking questions, which would lead to the police and the mob didn't have the same control over police and judges in LA.
The mob had families and did a lot with jewish gangsters in LA and San Fran and a few other areas in the west.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 8:50 pm to PowerTool
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The setup of the Senator with the dead hooker in II was more shocking to me personally, in terms of establishing how far they'd go.
That’s the difference between Michael and Vito. Vito doesn’t have that hooker killed. Vito would not have killed his brother, unlike Michael. In the opening scene Vito made it clear the boys that beat the undertakers daughter would not be killed. “That is not justice. Your daughter is still alive.” Yes, murder isn’t completely off the table for Vito, but it’s not something he takes lightly.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 9:31 pm to upgrade
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That’s the difference between Michael and Vito. Vito doesn’t have that hooker killed. Vito would not have killed his brother, unlike Michael. In the opening scene Vito made it clear the boys that beat the undertakers daughter would not be killed. “That is not justice. Your daughter is still alive.” Yes, murder isn’t completely off the table for Vito, but it’s not something he takes lightly.
And that is the crux of the entire story.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:21 am to Fewer Kilometers
quote:I always thought it was The Manchurian Candidate.
From Here to Eternity (the "role" that the Johnny Fontaine character was going for
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:48 am to blueboy
That was the late seventies. The Johnnie Fontaine thing was the early 50s or late 40s.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 9:34 am to CCT
quote:The Manchurian Candidate was released in 1962.
That was the late seventies. The Johnnie Fontaine thing was the early 50s or late 40s.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:00 am to blueboy
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From Here to Eternity (the "role" that the Johnny Fontaine character was going for
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I always thought it was The Manchurian Candidate.
FHTE was Sinatra's comeback role. His recording career had hit the skids and his films were few and not very memorable. In '53 he got the role in FHTE and signed with Capitol Records and his career went back into the stratosphere.
The studio refused to audition Sinatra, so he paid for his own audition and fought for the role. The rumor is that the mafia put pressure on the studio.
The years don't match up exactly (Connie's wedding in '46), but The Godfather goes through 1955, so it's close enough.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:07 am to blueboy
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Here to Eternity
Frank Sinatra won Best Supporting Actor for From Here To Eternity. That's the role they were hinting at in the Godfather.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:18 am to BorrisMart
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It's in the book
I really need to get around to reading this.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:20 am to boxcarbarney
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I really need to get around to reading this.
Coppola has talked the book down so much, I've avoided reading it. I guess I have to do it eventually.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:24 am to blueboy
BTW, the "bandleader" story from The Godfather was based on Sinatra being under contract to Tommy Dorsey. Dorsey got a third of all of Sinatra's earnings and refused to release Sinatra. Sinatra offered a huge lump sum payment to kill the deal, but Dorsey said no. Legend has it that Dorsey was visited by "businessmen" and he agreed to let Sinatra go free.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 11:24 am to Kafka
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the scene where Sonny puts together that it was Paulie who sold out Vito (contact at the phone company).
This and the call from the cop telling Sonny that Vito has been shot were some of Caan's best moments -- he supposedly was furious to learn they had been cut.
They got cut? I swear I see those scenes every time i watch the movie (maybe they have been added in again)?
I have seen the movie and read the book so many times maybe they are blending together for me
Posted on 11/16/21 at 3:00 pm to boxcarbarney
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I really need to get around to reading this.
Few people would accuse Puzzo of being a great literary stylist; but if you love the movie and enjoy talking about it, it might be worth reading to fill in some of the gaps. The main distinction - at least as far as I can recall from many years ago - is that the book gives a slightly earthier view of the street side of the Corleone family.
Coppola was so focused on his obsession with the hypocrisy of the Catholic church that he portrays them as this sort of Renaissance European power dealing with the classic problems of succession (which seems to be Michael's view). In the book, you see things like people getting beat up by their thugs, or why Al Neri left the police force to go to work for the Corleones. You also see more of the closeness of the primary family. There were some other details a little lost to me now, like the different depictions of Clemenza and Tessio.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 3:08 pm to PowerTool
The book is great, but doesn't exactly happen like the movie. I don't think Puzo really wanted to write it but needed money so he put the whole Lucy's vag and the Dr. storyline in there to be an a-hole. The rest was so good, people just put up with that part. I guess it ties in Sonny's gummada and all that but it is pretty dumb. 
Posted on 11/16/21 at 3:16 pm to crash1211
Saved Franks career but Ava got him the part. His career was over before he got the part.
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