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The Godfather • Was killing Khartoum a mistake?
Posted on 11/15/21 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 11/15/21 at 4:28 pm
Woltz paid $600,000 for Khartoum. That's about $9 Million in today's dollars. Killing the horse seems excessive, especially when you consider that Sinatra got $8,000 to be in From Here to Eternity (the "role" that the Johnny Fontaine character was going for). Seems that they could've stolen the horse or threatened Woltz with something else.
And I know that the horse head thing was beyond cinematic and is one of the top film shocking reveals. Just every time he says "I paid $600,000." I wince (knowing what will happen).
And I know that the horse head thing was beyond cinematic and is one of the top film shocking reveals. Just every time he says "I paid $600,000." I wince (knowing what will happen).
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Posted on 11/15/21 at 4:29 pm to Fewer Kilometers
I think it was to send a message. They asked politely and he refused.
Eta: they’re gangsters. These aren’t good people even if we do root for them.
Eta: they’re gangsters. These aren’t good people even if we do root for them.
This post was edited on 11/15/21 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 11/15/21 at 4:32 pm to Fewer Kilometers
The message that sent to everyone else as to what the Don was capable of when denied was worth way more than the $600k
Posted on 11/15/21 at 4:33 pm to Fewer Kilometers
Woltz was a loud mouthed a-hole and rapist / pedophile who thought that his connections in DC could save him from the mob.
Dropping the horse head in the bed was a major statement of “We can do whatever we want whenever we want and you can’t stop us.”
Nothing else they could have done would have had the same effect considering that Tom’s prior mentions of union trouble and drug use by the stars was thrown back in his face as a refusal to knuckle under to threats.
Dropping the horse head in the bed was a major statement of “We can do whatever we want whenever we want and you can’t stop us.”
Nothing else they could have done would have had the same effect considering that Tom’s prior mentions of union trouble and drug use by the stars was thrown back in his face as a refusal to knuckle under to threats.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 4:34 pm to Fewer Kilometers
You saw the fricking house? 600K was nothing
Posted on 11/15/21 at 4:45 pm to saintsfan22
quote:Hearst bought that house for $120,000 in 1947. So the horse was worth five times the value of the house. In 2013 you could rent it for $600K a month. It auctioned off in September for $63 Million (It had been listed for twice that at one point).
You saw the fricking house? 600K was nothing
Posted on 11/15/21 at 4:48 pm to SPEEDY
quote:That's a plausible answer. They were investing in their reputation, since their "bandleader" calling card didn't seem to have enough of a threat value for certain situations.
The message that sent to everyone else as to what the Don was capable of when denied was worth way more than the $600k
Posted on 11/15/21 at 4:58 pm to Fewer Kilometers
It was because Don Vito was disgusted that Waltz was a pedo. It's in the book and there is a deleted scene of a young girl crying up stairs and Tom reports back to the Don and Sonny and they are all disgusted.
Then Luca was sent out.
Then Luca was sent out.
This post was edited on 11/15/21 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 11/15/21 at 5:00 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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...what is this witchcraft?
Posted on 11/15/21 at 5:06 pm to ManBearTiger
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quote:You gotta pay to get the perks of M/TV board premium membership. The reserved parking spot at Blockbuster is worth the price alone.
...what is this witchcraft?
Posted on 11/15/21 at 5:07 pm to BorrisMart
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It was because Don Vito was disgusted that Waltz was a pedo. It's in the book and there is a deleted scene of a young girl crying up stairs and Tom reports back to the Don and Sonny and they are all disgusted.
Then Luca was sent out.
Ah.
"There's a book?" (From the Dune thread.)
Posted on 11/15/21 at 5:19 pm to Fewer Kilometers
quote:It's almost like Don Corleone had a faulty moral compass
Seems that they could've stolen the horse or threatened Woltz with something else.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 5:21 pm to Fewer Kilometers
I think they include that deleted scene in the Godfather Saga thing they do on AMC sometimes where they show the whole story chronologically. Some of those deleted scenes really illuminate the story and it seems odd they were ultimately cut out--including the scene where Waltz is shown to be a pedo and Vito is visibly disturbed and seeking confirmation ("are you sure?") and the scene where Sonny puts together that it was Paulie who sold out Vito (contact at the phone company).
Also love the Fabrizio hit scene.
Also love the Fabrizio hit scene.
This post was edited on 11/15/21 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 11/15/21 at 5:54 pm to Jamohn
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Also love the Fabrizio hit scene.
Absolutely should have been in the movie.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 6:00 pm to Fewer Kilometers
In the book you get to see inside Woltz’ head.
After he finds the head, he realizes what he is dealing with. Vito Corleone operated in his own world and by his own rules and Woltz couldn’t fight him. Killing the horse was the only way to send that message. Money problems and physical threats wouldn’t have convinced Woltz.
Anyway, the thought process is much better written in the book than my summary.
After he finds the head, he realizes what he is dealing with. Vito Corleone operated in his own world and by his own rules and Woltz couldn’t fight him. Killing the horse was the only way to send that message. Money problems and physical threats wouldn’t have convinced Woltz.
Anyway, the thought process is much better written in the book than my summary.
This post was edited on 11/15/21 at 6:00 pm
Posted on 11/15/21 at 6:07 pm to Jamohn
quote:This and the call from the cop telling Sonny that Vito has been shot were some of Caan's best moments -- he supposedly was furious to learn they had been cut.
the scene where Sonny puts together that it was Paulie who sold out Vito (contact at the phone company).
Posted on 11/15/21 at 6:12 pm to Fewer Kilometers
quote:LINK
Hearst bought that house for $120,000 in 1947. So the horse was worth five times the value of the house. In 2013 you could rent it for $600K a month. It auctioned off in September for $63 Million (It had been listed for twice that at one point).
Harper (1966)
Posted on 11/15/21 at 6:28 pm to Jamohn
Kind of mad that I havent seen those scenes given that they are two of my favorite movies of all time. Didnt know they existed.
Im personally not a fan of killing animals, but that horse was a necessary sacrifice. Moe Greenes death is the one that bothered me. Dude did not need to dies, who cares if he slapped Fredo around a bit, Fredo was a goober.
"You son of a bitch. Do you know who I am? I'm Moe Greene! I made my bones when you were going out with cheerleaders."
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Im personally not a fan of killing animals, but that horse was a necessary sacrifice. Moe Greenes death is the one that bothered me. Dude did not need to dies, who cares if he slapped Fredo around a bit, Fredo was a goober.
"You son of a bitch. Do you know who I am? I'm Moe Greene! I made my bones when you were going out with cheerleaders."
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Jamohn
Posted on 11/15/21 at 6:56 pm to iwyLSUiwy
I need confirmation as to what cut I need to watch to get all these deleted scenes. I've watched the Godfather Saga, the chronological one on AMC, but don't remember these scenes. The Saga is the best way to watch 1 & 2. Just fantastic.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 7:00 pm to iwyLSUiwy
quote:Killing him made it easier to take over the casino. There is a surviving scene, cut from GFII, where Neri goes into the casino, tells the manager they're taking over and throws him out
Moe Greenes death is the one that bothered me. Dude did not need to dies,
quote:it was already dead; they obtained it from a dog food factory
Im personally not a fan of killing animals
an ox was killed on camera for Apocalypse Now
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