re: The Force Awakens trailer confirmed; Official ingame thread

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Here's the problem with your theory. When Vader killed Sidious and then died, they were the last of the Sith. The line of Sith Lords that dated back uninterrupted to Darth Bane and before ended over Endor. The Sith literally are extinct.

As for the guy you're seeing in the new Star Wars, he's not a real and true Sith. He does seem to be an admirer of Lord Vader and a follower of the Dark Side of the Force. But he's no Sith.

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Perhaps I don't know enough about Star Wars lore, but is it possible that there is ALWAYS a new sith in the works? Like once Sidious died, Vader became the #1 sith and someone somewhere became a new #2 sith. Vader died soon after Sidious and a second person became the #2 sith, and neither of the people knew it.

After 30 years, these two new siths have been experiencing things with the force and are just now coming around to learning the powers of the dark side.

Perhaps Kylo Ren isn't a sith, but it seems lame that he would just be a fanboy who's out to wreck shite. If he's going to be a high stakes villain, he'll have to have some kind of ultimate plan that would wow the audience. Reviving Vader would satisfy that.

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with the intent of being captured by the Republic not murdered

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I thought that too, you see the look of stunned betrayal in his face when Palpatine gives Anakin the order to kill him.
There were some good actors in the prequels, but the dialogue and direction were horrible.

I always wondered if Vader DID have a sith apprentice. There were always two Sith, but each Sith seemed to an apprentice.

Siddious had Vader, but Siddious had other masters and apprentices, and a shrewd man like that would not have all his eggs in one basket. He had to have a replacement for Vader, and Vader had a likely new protege' for when he was the master.
Unless all that has been written about the Sith is thrown out, I believe there are more who know the ways of the Sith. It's not a birthright but an order of the Force. Then the Sith to begin with was started by a Jedi, so what's to say it can't be restarted. I'm not buying there is no Sith. Abhrams does this intentional misdirection. Like when we had all the "He's not Khan" stories, when it Was Khan in Star Trek.

We aren't getting real character names, I know that. (or full names)
Maybe Kylo isn't Sith, but Kylo isn't the leader, this "Snook" guy is. In a universe that has for all intensive purposes "magic" and computer program and AI that is off the charts, coupled with Cloning being common enough that they fielded millions of clones, anything can happen.

I love that I have no idea what will happen, but I think we will see Sith.

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Perhaps I don't know enough about Star Wars lore, but is it possible that there is ALWAYS a new sith in the works? Like once Sidious died, Vader became the #1 sith and someone somewhere became a new #2 sith. Vader died soon after Sidious and a second person became the #2 sith, and neither of the people knew it.

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The way the Sith operated from the time of Darth Bane, which was literally thousands of years before the movies, was what is called the "Rule of Two". There is a master and an apprentice. One Sith to embody the power of the Dark Side, the other to crave it. Bane himself instituted this rule because he saw that if there were more than two Sith, they'd always be killing each other off. He destroyed the old Sith Order and took on his own single apprentice, a girl named Darth Zienna (or something like that). He was her master and taught her everything he knew about the Dark Side.

She was his apprentice until she'd learned all she could and then it was her duty to try and kill her master. That's how the Sith handled succession from one Sith Lord to the next. Basically once an apprentice thought they'd grown powerful enough in the Dark Side, they'd try to kill their master. If they were successful, they became the new Sith Lord and would then go find their own single apprentice. If they failed and their master killed them, then that just meant the apprentice was unworthy of the title of Sith Lord and the current one would go find a new apprentice and the process would start all over again. This line of Sith Lords went first through Bane all the way down to Sidious. But what broke the line is that when Sidious's apprentice killed him, instead of finding his own apprentice and keeping the line going, he instead turned from the Dark Side and then died.

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After 30 years, these two new siths have been experiencing things with the force and are just now coming around to learning the powers of the dark side.

Perhaps Kylo Ren isn't a sith, but it seems lame that he would just be a fanboy who's out to wreck shite. If he's going to be a high stakes villain, he'll have to have some kind of ultimate plan that would wow the audience. Reviving Vader would satisfy that.

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There's always been other who use the Dark Side or follow the Dark Side who are not true Sith. The only way to be a true Sith is to be in the line of succession from Darth Bane. The last of those was Darth Vader. When he died, the Sith were no more. These others who folow the Dark Side without being from the line of Darth Bane are called "Dark Side acolytes".

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I always wondered if Vader DID have a sith apprentice. There were always two Sith, but each Sith seemed to an apprentice.

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The story line of a recent Star Wars video game, can't remember it's name, had Vader training his own apprentice.

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Siddious had Vader, but Siddious had other masters and apprentices, and a shrewd man like that would not have all his eggs in one basket. He had to have a replacement for Vader, and Vader had a likely new protege' for when he was the master.
Unless all that has been written about the Sith is thrown out, I believe there are more who know the ways of the Sith. It's not a birthright but an order of the Force. Then the Sith to begin with was started by a Jedi, so what's to say it can't be restarted. I'm not buying there is no Sith. Abhrams does this intentional misdirection. Like when we had all the "He's not Khan" stories, when it Was Khan in Star Trek.

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Once Sidious had Vader, he never took on another real apprentice, although, especially early on right after he was almost killed by Obi Wan, Sidious considered replacing him. The only time he ever really tried though was once he found out about Luke. His plan from that moment on was to have Luke replace his father as his apprentice. But even here, there's something different about Sidious than the Sith Lords before him except perhaps Plagius, he never planned on his apprentice being anything more than a tool for his own needs. He planned on living forever.

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I love that I have no idea what will happen, but I think we will see Sith.

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I think it depends on how much of the old story they keep in the new story line. In the old story, the Sith do reappear. I'm not sure if they'll keep that in this new story line or if they'll instead focus on this new Knights of Ren" angle.

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Please stop.

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How about you kiss my arse?

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Instead of a deeply conflicted master trained sharp cunning and ruthless badass to end all badasses who eventually chooses to side with the Emperor, a huge figure in his life, over his beloved teacher and mentor, we instead see a stupid lazy ignorant frick of a kid constantly berated by most of the Jedi more so Obi-Wan than anyone else and then easily tricked in the shittiest way possible by some dude he barley knows into betraying everything he never really loved at all.

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This. So much this.

It's neatly summed up in this meme:

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frick those movies.

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This too.

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The story line of a recent Star Wars video game, can't remember it's name, had Vader training his own apprentice.

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His name was Galen Marek. Known as Starkiller. The game was taken as canon but I hadn't heard if they dismissed it just like the EU.

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His name was Galen Marek. Known as Starkiller. The game was taken as canon but I hadn't heard if they dismissed it just like the EU.

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All SW EU content produced prior to the Disney takeover is no longer canon.

Just got 4 tickets for the 7pm showing on 12/17. I didnt realize they could show it before midnight. Madison, MS area