- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: The Force Awakens trailer confirmed; Official ingame thread
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:04 am to TigerFanatic99
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:04 am to TigerFanatic99
quote:
My one question is what is Kylo Ren trying to finish that Vader started?
Complete and aboslute power in his hands over everything.
1
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:05 am to Breesus
quote:
My one question is what is Kylo Ren trying to finish that Vader started?
extinction of the jedi
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:06 am to Breesus
quote:
Perhaps Yoda saw the inevitability of Anakin's fall and the ability of Anakin to eventually kill the Emperor, who was extremely powerful and manipulative and brutal.
Why didn't Yoda just kill Sidious himself when he fought him?
edit: left out an important word in that sentence.
This post was edited on 10/20/15 at 11:10 am
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:09 am to CocomoLSU
quote:
Shame on the OP for not having a link to the trailer in the first post.
Shame on you for not using google or Youtube
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:09 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:
Why didn't Yoda just kill himself
Why would he kill himself?
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:13 am to Breesus
New poster for AMC
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:14 am to Darth_Vader
The one thing I don't understand is that, if the Sidious and the Sith were so manipulative and powerful, how could they not sense that Luke and Leia were the children of Darth Vader. I mean Vader was in the same room as Leia and could not sense the connection? But knew it by the time ESB came around?
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:17 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:
Why didn't Yoda just kill Sidious himself when he fought him?
he tried but he failed. He realized two things while fighting Sidious.
1. Sidious was too powerful for him to defeat.
2. Fighting the Sith in a stand up fight was not the way to defeat them. Instead, (and I'm a bit sketchy on the details here because it's been awhile since I read the Book "Revenge of the Sith") the way to defeat them was basically through being peaceful and passive and thus connected to the Light Side of the Force. I'm not sure but I think he had a vision of Luke later on throwing aside his lightsaber and refusing to kill his Vader and that leading to he destruction of the Sith.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:20 am to Kracka
quote:
if the Sidious and the Sith were so manipulative and powerful, how could they not sense that Luke and Leia were the children of Darth Vader. I mean Vader was in the same room as Leia and could not sense the connection? But knew it by the time ESB came around?
Vader probably did some research on the pilot who blew up the Death Star and found out his last name was Skywalker. From there, I think, he was able to use the force to determine Luke was his son. With Leis, no one knew she had any connection to the Skywalker family until Yoda's told Luke. Luke tried to suppress the thought in his mind during his duel with Vader but was unsuccessful.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:25 am to Kracka
quote:
The one thing I don't understand is that, if the Sidious and the Sith were so manipulative and powerful, how could they not sense that Luke and Leia were the children of Darth Vader. I mean Vader was in the same room as Leia and could not sense the connection? But knew it by the time ESB came around?
That's a great question. I do know that after Obi Wan almost killed him, Vader's ability to use the Force was only a shadow of what it was before. He was still hugely powerful,but not nearly as powerful as before. Also, he thought that Padme had died while still pregnant. He had no idea she lived long enough to give birth to his twins. All he knew is he could feel her life force when he last saw her on Mustifar but after that he was incapacitated. That's why when Sidious lied and told him that he himself had killed her in is anger, Vader reacted in shock and disbelief. I'm guessing since he didn't know Leia & Luke were alive and his ability to use the force was diminished, when he was around them he did not sense any connection to them. Only once he found out the identity of the Rebel pilot that was strong in the Force and had destroyed the first Death Star, did he put two and two together. but even then he only knew about Luke. Only when he later read Luke's mind did he discover he also had a daughter.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:27 am to BulldogXero
quote:
Vader probably did some research on the pilot who blew up the Death Star and found out his last name was Skywalker.
Its not written, but I doubt Vader googled "who blew up my death star"
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:27 am to Kracka
quote:
The one thing I don't understand is that, if the Sidious and the Sith were so manipulative and powerful, how could they not sense that Luke and Leia were the children of Darth Vader.
Sidious was always looking for a new and more powerful apprentice. He had a new one in each of the prequels. I think he knew all along Luke was out there, and it would be a matter of time before they would meet through Vader. He wanted Luke to kill Vader and become his new enforcer.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:28 am to Kracka
quote:
Its not written, but I doubt Vader googled "who blew up my death star"
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:29 am to Darth_Vader
quote:My memory is cloudy on this. When do we first see that Vader knew?
Only once he found out the identity of the Rebel pilot that was strong in the Force and had destroyed the first Death Star, did he put two and two together. but even then he only knew about Luke. Only when he later read Luke's mind did he discover he also had a daughter.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:29 am to Darth_Vader
quote:
1. Sidious was too powerful for him to defeat.
Like i said, Yoda wasn't as powerful as we thought he was.
quote:
Fighting the Sith in a stand up fight was not the way to defeat them.
well of course it isn't when they are better than you.
quote:
I'm not sure but I think he had a vision of Luke later on throwing aside his lightsaber and refusing to kill his Vader and that leading to he destruction of the Sith.
This makes me think of the line Snape told Dumbeldore about raising Potter to be slaughtered like a pig. You telling my Yoda purposely didn't try to keep Anakin on the good side and let him help destroy every last jedi in the hopes that his son would one day stand up to him and the emperor, and kill his father, while his father kills the emperor? I don't see this. Yoda seems pretty surprised when Order 66 is executed.
If what your saying is correct, then he would have seen that coming, and that's a pretty huge sacrifice to make on the hopes that Luke will say no to the dark side and Anakin will find the good in himself and kill the emperor.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:31 am to Darth_Vader
quote:
. That's why when Sidious lied and told him that he himself had killed her in is anger,
But Sidious had to know they existed. Not just Luke. It's almost like Palpatine found out about Luke between ESB and ROTJ. What did the books say about this? No way the dude was as powerful as they claimed he was and was masked by Obi Wan Kanobi.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:32 am to AlxTgr
quote:
My memory is cloudy on this.
It must be clouded by the shadow of the dark side.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:34 am to Kracka
quote:
Its not written, but I doubt Vader googled "who blew up my death star"
This will probably be covered in future EU material if it hasn't been already, but I feel like after Yavin IV, Luke gained some notoriety with those sympathetic to the Rebellion. It wouldn't have been too hard for the Empire to figure out who he was if they wanted to?
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:34 am to AlxTgr
quote:
When do we first see that Vader knew?
I think during the end fight scene of ESB with Luke and Vader. That is the confirmation, but you could tell Vader knew prior to the whole Han Solo freezing process. I think he even hints it while he and luke eyeballed each other in the freezing room.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:35 am to Bluefin
quote:
He wanted Luke to kill Vader and become his new enforcer.
I think he wanted Luke to go to the dark side, knowing either he or Vader were going to die, the dark side would be unstoppable with Luke on their side and no jedi's left, well except Leia, but she's a girl.
I think he knew that there was a chance Luke could join Vader and they would kill him(Sidious), but unlike all sith's, he was somewhat accepting of this for the betterment of the dark side.
Page 30 of 40
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News