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the ending of "annihilation"
Posted on 8/12/19 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 8/12/19 at 2:19 pm
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i realize y'all have probably already discussed this but not much comes up in search.
so kane clearly is a copy, and it's left ambiguous as to lena (i think). but does it even matter? the movie's concept of the built-in self-destructiveness of life, amplified and refracted by the shimmer, seems to be saying that we are all being made different by those changes, and that (like cancer) once that process starts its with you for the rest of your life
so they both exit the shimmer fundamentally changed, and whether they are copies or not, they are still "them", just different
also, the cancer metaphor went over my head until i started thinking about it...the whole movie is about cancer, isnt it?
i realize y'all have probably already discussed this but not much comes up in search.
so kane clearly is a copy, and it's left ambiguous as to lena (i think). but does it even matter? the movie's concept of the built-in self-destructiveness of life, amplified and refracted by the shimmer, seems to be saying that we are all being made different by those changes, and that (like cancer) once that process starts its with you for the rest of your life
so they both exit the shimmer fundamentally changed, and whether they are copies or not, they are still "them", just different
also, the cancer metaphor went over my head until i started thinking about it...the whole movie is about cancer, isnt it?
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Posted on 8/12/19 at 2:32 pm to cgrand
That movie was horrible.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 2:35 pm to BulldogXero
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That movie was horrible.
Any explanation or substance to support your opinion? I'll be the first to admit a lot of that movie went over my head. But, reading about it after to fill in the gaps I had reaffirmed my thinking it was a good movie.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 2:40 pm to cgrand
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also, the cancer metaphor went over my head until i started thinking about it...the whole movie is about cancer, isnt it?
I thought that was pretty obvious.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 2:41 pm to Snoopy04
I read the book... it was ok.. I think it has a really good pace and promise but I don't think it gives enough to the reader that explains anything and it seems like a lot of what happens is very random and lacking in purpose
the movie changes on the back end because it tries to fill these gaps.. from a book reader i think its visually appealing but id say its just a C+ movie. im glad i watched but wouldnt watch again...
I believe your assumption for the cancer metaphor is solid but part of the gap filling
the movie changes on the back end because it tries to fill these gaps.. from a book reader i think its visually appealing but id say its just a C+ movie. im glad i watched but wouldnt watch again...
I believe your assumption for the cancer metaphor is solid but part of the gap filling
This post was edited on 8/12/19 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 8/12/19 at 2:47 pm to BulldogXero
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That movie was horrible
Agree. While beautifully shot there was a nonsensical plot and overall was quite boring.
I really liked the books it was based on and the director could not have done a worse job adapting the story for the screen.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 2:57 pm to Miganey
fair enough 
Posted on 8/12/19 at 3:02 pm to Miganey
i havent read the book, i'd like to appreciate the movie on its own merits...i do understand its much different from the book. i dont think the 2nd & 3rd books were even written yet when they did the screenplay for the movie
the plot of the movie itself seems inconsequential to the whole though, i seems to me the idea was to put the viewer in the same disoriented conditions as were the characters. its a think-piece, not a sci-fi thriller. i appreciate that from time to time
the plot of the movie itself seems inconsequential to the whole though, i seems to me the idea was to put the viewer in the same disoriented conditions as were the characters. its a think-piece, not a sci-fi thriller. i appreciate that from time to time
Posted on 8/12/19 at 3:20 pm to cgrand
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i'd like to appreciate the movie on its own merits
I would too, if it had any
Posted on 8/12/19 at 3:25 pm to cgrand
I'm still not exactly sure what the movies is "about" under the surface or what themes there are to analyze. It one of those movies that when I left the theater I just felt very uneasy and thought about for some time without really drawing any conclusions. It felt like I had encountered something alien which I thought was very cool and different.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 3:32 pm to ThuperThumpin
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I just felt very uneasy and thought about for some time without really drawing any conclusions.
i think that was the point
yes, it was cool & different
Posted on 8/12/19 at 3:43 pm to cgrand
that whole sequence from entering the lighthouse to the burning of the trees was just magical.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 5:48 pm to Carson123987
I like the cancer theory, though I'm not sure I entirely believe it. I prefer to think of it as an amalgamation. Anyway, we had a good thread on it when it came out...
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Posted on 8/12/19 at 6:39 pm to Baloo
thanks
I don’t know why I couldn’t find it
lot of agreement there about cancer and also some things I hadn’t noticed like the tattoo and her water glass at the end. I need to watch it again
I don’t know why I couldn’t find it
lot of agreement there about cancer and also some things I hadn’t noticed like the tattoo and her water glass at the end. I need to watch it again
Posted on 8/12/19 at 9:20 pm to Miganey
I read the book and saw the movie. Enjoyed the movie more but appreciated the book for what it was.
I’ve read it described as a “new weird” genre where it’s not supposed to make that much sense. Area X was the site of a cosmic/alien/interdimensional being that doesn’t make any sense to us. Vandermeer’s goal was to be vague and plotless because how could we rationalize and understand something truly “out of this world”?
The movie produced more of a plot and developed more coherence. I didn’t really get any allegorical aspects from the book, but they were definitely there in the film.
I’ve read it described as a “new weird” genre where it’s not supposed to make that much sense. Area X was the site of a cosmic/alien/interdimensional being that doesn’t make any sense to us. Vandermeer’s goal was to be vague and plotless because how could we rationalize and understand something truly “out of this world”?
The movie produced more of a plot and developed more coherence. I didn’t really get any allegorical aspects from the book, but they were definitely there in the film.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 10:27 pm to StringedInstruments
I read the books without knowing anything about a movie coming out or reading any interviews...
The whole time all I could picture was the St Marks light house in big bend area of Florida
Come to find out that was his inspiration in later interviews I read.
The whole time all I could picture was the St Marks light house in big bend area of Florida
Come to find out that was his inspiration in later interviews I read.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 10:40 pm to cgrand
Man I don't know. I think all that come out are copies. I read all three books in the Southern Reach Trilogy and there is not a happy ending. The book Annihilation was quite different from the movie and exceeded in weirdness. Through the three books the shimmer just expands and expands.
The movie was pretty good.
The movie was pretty good.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 10:44 pm to Brosef Stalin
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the whole movie is about cancer, isnt it?
I don't think so. Some sinister force intersected with Earth at a lighthouse off the coast of Florida. It's not clear to me exactly what it is through one movie and the three books. If anyone knows, speak up.
For those who read the books, remember the tunnel/tower and the crawler. That was a big deal in the book. For those who didn't you'll never know about that creepy shite.
This post was edited on 8/12/19 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 8/13/19 at 8:27 am to Carson123987
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that whole sequence from entering the lighthouse to the burning of the trees was just magical.
It really was and at the theater I saw it the low end was so loud and rumbly it was almost disorienting and just added to the effect
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