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The Case Against GRRM and ASOIAF
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:41 pm
Newsweek Article with GRRM
World building in a narrative is essential. Additional details about lore not involved with the story should be created after the main storyline is completed. Tolkien and his publishers knew this. Get your primary stories out to attract fans, THEN give them a Lore Encyclopedia.
Currently looking up the authors deaths, but generally it seems most them died of natural causes before they could finish. And they weren't doing multiple side projects as a distraction from their magnum opus (usually they already had completed their more notable works.)
I just think he is being lazy. And the Entitlement angle is just a easy excuse. When your customers have already invested in your literary works, then you as a writer should at least honor that commitment.
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You call LOTR ‘the main story,’ but if you had asked Tolkien, he would have said the SILMARILLION was his main story, his life’s work. Yet he was never able to complete it during his lifetime. Not because he didn’t care, however,” Martin wrote.
World building in a narrative is essential. Additional details about lore not involved with the story should be created after the main storyline is completed. Tolkien and his publishers knew this. Get your primary stories out to attract fans, THEN give them a Lore Encyclopedia.
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Just for the sake of argument, let me point out that many many people invest their time into works without endings. F. Scott Fitzgerald never finished THE LAST TYCOON, Charles Dickens never finished EDWIN DROOD, Mervyn Peake never finished TITUS ALONE, yet those works are still read.”
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Martin, age 69, never finishes A Song of Ice and Fire, it won’t erase HBO’s Game of Thrones, or the pleasure to be found in the six novels already released. But Martin emphasized that he has no desire to leave behind an incomplete work. “I do intend to finish A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE, of course,” he wrote, “but doubtless Peake, Dickens, Fitzgerald, and Tolkien would have said the same.”
Currently looking up the authors deaths, but generally it seems most them died of natural causes before they could finish. And they weren't doing multiple side projects as a distraction from their magnum opus (usually they already had completed their more notable works.)
I just think he is being lazy. And the Entitlement angle is just a easy excuse. When your customers have already invested in your literary works, then you as a writer should at least honor that commitment.
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Posted on 5/14/19 at 4:05 pm to volod
He is never finishing.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 4:06 pm to volod
Dude has zero reason to finish the series.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 5:17 pm to volod
He originally told his editor that it was a 3 book series.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 5:25 pm to volod
What the frick is ASOIAF?
Goddamn with all the acronyms nowadays. frick a duck with all that shite.
Goddamn with all the acronyms nowadays. frick a duck with all that shite.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 5:26 pm to Pandy Fackler
How can you not know what that means in 2019? 
Posted on 5/14/19 at 5:40 pm to TigerintheNO
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originally told his editor that it was a 3 book series.
I have watched that before. The original storyline was also very different.
To be honest, I wish he would have just stayed with his original premise. At some point you have to be honest with yourself. GRRM writing style is tailored to a short stories. A trilogy is really the extent of his work behavior and subversive style.
The problem with deconstructive types is that they lose focus of the narrative.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 5:46 pm to volod
Fitzgerald died suddenly of a heart attack in his 40s.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 5:47 pm to TigerintheNO
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He originally told his editor that it was a 3 book series.
And when the show started in 2011 he said book 6 would come out in 2013 and book 7 in 2015.
Imagine if you'd been a fan since the first book came out in 1996 and see it come to this.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 5:49 pm to Pandy Fackler
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What the frick is ASOIAF?
Goddamn with all the acronyms nowadays. frick a duck with all that shite.
How about you have the humility to understand that this thread clearly isn't for you if you don't know what that is?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 5:54 pm to Korin
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Imagine if you'd been a fan since the first book came out in 1996 and see it come to this.
I started reading right before ADWD
(and of course the tv series) came out and I'm pissed. I can't imagine what the folks who started at the beginning are feeling.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 5:57 pm to volod
Someone earlier today posted an article that compared “pantsers” to “plotters,” where pantsers are authors who fly by the seat of their pants and let the story evolve as they write it, as opposed to plotters, who meticulously plan everything out in advance. It struck me that Martin does come across as the King of all Pantsers when you read his writing, and that’s not a dig at him. His characters are vibrant and believable, and the world of ASOIAF evolves naturally around those characters as a result of the decisions that they make. It’s a pretty incredible achievement. However, it does have a drawback, and it’s a pretty strong one: since Martin lets the characters of ASOIAF take him where they will, their storylines rapidly diverge, to the point that by the end of Book 5 it’s anyone’s best guess as to what the actual “main story” of the series is. Some characters haven’t directly interacted with each other in hundreds and hundreds of pages, while others (*cough cough* Danaerys *cough cough*) got lost on the way to the plot and never even showed up in the first place. I honestly think Martin has been completely at sea about how to make a coherent whole out of the situation in the books as they currently stand, and I can’t blame him. Narratively speaking, it’s a mess. A beautiful, beautiful mess, mind you, but a mess nonetheless.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 5:58 pm to VinegarStrokes
I started watching the show first in 2012 (right before season 2) all because of a gif of the Mountain chopping his horse in half. 
I've never actually read the books but I know basically everything that happened thanks to research and forums and what not.
I've never actually read the books but I know basically everything that happened thanks to research and forums and what not.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:35 pm to Korin
Yeah, I started reading them in 1998. I had bought A game of thrones back in 1996 but hadn't started it yet because I didn't want to get involved in an unfinished series before I knew about how long the author would take to complete the next novels. So when A clash of kings came out in 98 I said "okay, I can live with waiting 2 years for each one." I really was a sweet summer child. I realized how screwed I was when 2004 came and went and a feast for crows hadn't been delivered as promised.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:05 pm to Pandy Fackler
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ASOIAF
A
Song
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Fire
There. Do know more now than you did this morning?
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