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re: "The Americans" on FX. I just finished the series finale. SPOILERS. Thoughts?
Posted on 8/7/18 at 5:52 pm to 225bred
Posted on 8/7/18 at 5:52 pm to 225bred
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Good point. Communism and the USSR was about to fall for good... literally everything she did to protect their way of life and ideology was abt to be for nill..
This is good news bad news. It’s good news for poor Oleg, who might get out sooner. The bad news is the Jennings think they’ll never see their kids again though after the collapse of the USSR, the kids could go see them.
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Posted on 8/7/18 at 6:55 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Differently for sure, but I think I would still find killing innocent civilians wrong regardless
We dropped the bomb on tens of thousands of innocent Japanese. How many innocent Afghanis are victims of our drone strikes? It was the Cold WAR. They were convinced we were at war and there was no such things as “innocent civilians.” Just unavoidable, necessary collateral damage. The end justifies the means. Years later, with the advantage of hindsight and objective perspective, sure it’s easy to judge. But ai think Phillip was an actual good person. Elizabeth was a sociopath, but that was more nurture than nature.
Anyway, I didn’t like the finale. I felt it left me hanging somehow. I haven’t been able to really verbalize it, though.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:03 pm to AlxTgr
quote:I thought Fleming's Bond was a cold, hard man. The charm was all part of the act, he was ruthless. Connery did a good job at times with that, Moore softened it.
That’s a cop out. Doesn’t change the fact he committed some atrocities that make him a terrible person
But are they atrocities? Is Ethan Hunt a terrible person? James Bond?
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:15 pm to Hot Carl
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We dropped the bomb on tens of thousands of innocent Japanese. How many innocent Afghanis are victims of our drone strikes? It was the Cold WAR.
Do you know what the “Cold” part of Cold War meant?
Also I assume you don’t view Mohamed Atta and the other 9/11 highjackers as terrorist but as the moral equivalent of the RAF dropping bombs on Hamburg
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But ai think Phillip was an actual good person.
Philip would disagree
This post was edited on 8/7/18 at 11:17 pm
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:33 pm to AlxTgr
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But are they atrocities?
Some of them yes. killing innocent civilians individually, not accidentally like in a bombing but hands on murder like the college kid that stumbled on Philip stealing computer code or the Afghan busboy among others.
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Is Ethan Hunt a terrible person?
In the first MI Hunt physically stops Krieger from killing a security guard at the CIA and says “zero body” count. He is at that point a rouge and goes out of his way to not kill an innocent by-stander even while he is committing treason and espionage among other serious crimes
Phillip over the course of the show feels remorse and terrible guilt over things he’s done that should tell you something. quote:
James Bond?
Can you think of an innocent civilian Bond killed in 25+ movies? I can not.
It’s really not that hard not all killings are the same: Elizabeth killing Gannadi and Sophia or even the general that helped her before is not the same as her killing that guy in the hotel because his gf worked for the company Elizabeth said she was with. The first 3 were part of the “game” the other dude was not
This post was edited on 8/7/18 at 11:42 pm
Posted on 8/8/18 at 12:47 am to H-Town Tiger
Bond probably killed all the bond girls with syphilis
Posted on 8/8/18 at 8:05 am to 225bred
The ending was December 1987, so there were only four more years left of the Soviet Union.
Flash forward to 1995:
Philip and Elizabeth are divorced. She became a raging alcoholic after the collapse of the Soviet Union, and ends up remarrying some dirty old Soviet Colonel that she ends up murdering in his sleep because he is such a dirty old man. She goes to prison.
Philip has become a struggling entrepreneur, but becomes more successful as the economy improves. He remarries but doesn't have another kid.
Paige is put on some kind of probation, and is able to finish school. She can't work for the government, so she goes out to California and lives a pretty normal life and marries some dude. She travels to Europe a couple of times to meet her dad half-way; in Germany or something.
Henry finishes school but hasn't forgiven his parent yet. He may in time as he matures. Otherwise, he lives a pretty normal life.
Stan leaves the FBI and goes into security in the private sector. He becomes a drunk and Renee dumps his arse. He later blows his brains out.
Aderholt climbs up the ranks of the FBI, and becomes director of it during the Obama administration. He retires in 2013, but becomes a special consul for the Department of Justice in 2017 to investigate Russian interference in the 2016 Presidential election.
Flash forward to 1995:
Philip and Elizabeth are divorced. She became a raging alcoholic after the collapse of the Soviet Union, and ends up remarrying some dirty old Soviet Colonel that she ends up murdering in his sleep because he is such a dirty old man. She goes to prison.
Philip has become a struggling entrepreneur, but becomes more successful as the economy improves. He remarries but doesn't have another kid.
Paige is put on some kind of probation, and is able to finish school. She can't work for the government, so she goes out to California and lives a pretty normal life and marries some dude. She travels to Europe a couple of times to meet her dad half-way; in Germany or something.
Henry finishes school but hasn't forgiven his parent yet. He may in time as he matures. Otherwise, he lives a pretty normal life.
Stan leaves the FBI and goes into security in the private sector. He becomes a drunk and Renee dumps his arse. He later blows his brains out.
Aderholt climbs up the ranks of the FBI, and becomes director of it during the Obama administration. He retires in 2013, but becomes a special consul for the Department of Justice in 2017 to investigate Russian interference in the 2016 Presidential election.
This post was edited on 8/8/18 at 8:06 am
Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:46 am to TheFonz
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The ending was December 1987, so there were only four more years left of the Soviet Union.
Flash forward to 1995:
Philip and Elizabeth are divorced. She became a raging alcoholic after the collapse of the Soviet Union, and ends up remarrying some dirty old Soviet Colonel that she ends up murdering in his sleep because he is such a dirty old man. She goes to prison.
Philip has become a struggling entrepreneur, but becomes more successful as the economy improves. He remarries but doesn't have another kid.
Paige is put on some kind of probation, and is able to finish school. She can't work for the government, so she goes out to California and lives a pretty normal life and marries some dude. She travels to Europe a couple of times to meet her dad half-way; in Germany or something.
Henry finishes school but hasn't forgiven his parent yet. He may in time as he matures. Otherwise, he lives a pretty normal life.
Stan leaves the FBI and goes into security in the private sector. He becomes a drunk and Renee dumps his arse. He later blows his brains out.
Aderholt climbs up the ranks of the FBI, and becomes director of it during the Obama administration. He retires in 2013, but becomes a special consul for the Department of Justice in 2017 to investigate Russian interference in the 2016 Presidential election.
I can see all of that happening.
Unfortunately, Stan's outcome would be exactly that. He was fricked after the finale.
@ Aderholt becoming the Special Counsel. Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:46 am to TheFonz
What was the purpose of bringing Philip's kid from Russia into the story if they never got to meet??
Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:52 am to 225bred
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What was the purpose of bringing Philip's kid from Russia into the story if they never got to meet??
I forgot about him. I'm trying to remember...he was trying to get to America to find Phillip...how far did he get? Germany? I don't remember.
Posted on 8/8/18 at 10:03 am to TheFonz
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I forgot about him. I'm trying to remember...he was trying to get to America to find Phillip...how far did he get? Germany? I don't remember.
He got all the way to america and to DC, he even went sit at the park to meet philip, but word never got to Philip.
The old man they always met with that was KGB intercepted it and met the kid instead and said go back to Russia, you can't meet your dad right now. it was pretty fricked up.
They never even told philip
Posted on 8/8/18 at 10:10 am to 225bred
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He got all the way to america and to DC, he even went sit at the park to meet philip, but word never got to Philip. The old man they always met with that was KGB intercepted it and met the kid instead and said go back to Russia, you can't meet your dad right now. it was pretty fricked up. They never even told philip
Oh, yeah. I remember now. Gabriel met him. So I guess Philip doesn't even know to look for him once he is back in the USSR, and the kid doesn't know Phllip is back. Well, that sucks.
Posted on 8/8/18 at 11:00 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:She is terrible. I was talking Philip. Any innocent he killed was necessary to his task.
Elizabeth killing Gannadi and Sophia or even the general that helped her before is not the same as her killing that guy in the hotel because his gf worked for the company Elizabeth said she was with. The first 3 were part of the “game” the other dude was not
Posted on 8/8/18 at 11:21 am to 225bred
I think Phillip pulled the ultimate dick move by telling Stan that Renee "might be" KGB, but he didn't know for sure. Now Stan has to live with that crap in his mind.
Posted on 8/8/18 at 11:24 am to 225bred
It’s hard to think of another series where the ending ended up being a downer for every major character. The finale was heartbreaking for every single one of them.
Posted on 8/8/18 at 11:31 am to ohiovol
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It’s hard to think of another series where the ending ended up being a downer for every major character. The finale was heartbreaking for every single one of them.
I thought the finale was incredible, but it also made me incredibly sad
Posted on 8/8/18 at 11:33 am to jchamil
I thought it was one of the best, most suspenseful finales that I've ever had the pleasure of watching.
Everyone's arc ended in just about the most appropriate way possible. No one deserved a happy ending, and no one got one.
Everyone's arc ended in just about the most appropriate way possible. No one deserved a happy ending, and no one got one.
Posted on 8/8/18 at 12:07 pm to FalseProphet
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No one deserved a happy ending, and no one got one.
I think Henry did, I felt the worst for him. I also think Stan was worthy of a happy ending
Posted on 8/8/18 at 12:09 pm to brian_wilson
quote:They are true. She and the Dana character from “Homeland” meet 30 years later and form a detective agency.
I hope the rumors of a paige spin off are not true, as she was a horrific actress
Posted on 8/8/18 at 12:14 pm to jchamil
Maybe Henry. Stan was an adulterous a-hole who made his family hate him, and he actively worked with Russian Intelligence officers and risked the countries safety for some poon.
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