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re: "The Americans" on FX. I just finished the series finale. SPOILERS. Thoughts?
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:26 am to 225bred
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:26 am to 225bred
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Philip had more of a conscious than Elizabeth (who was a total robot killing/fricking machine). But he still committed atrocities.
But as the series went on he was able to commit less and less of those atrocities. I’m not letting him off the hook but clearly his arc was meant to be one of increased morality. Look how he refused to let that girl be hurt.
This post was edited on 8/7/18 at 11:53 am
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Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:27 am to 225bred
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I was hoping to make it home for dinner, but things are very topsy-turvy at the office.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:27 am to Indiana Tiger
quote:yes. Drone strikes that kill 20 innocent people to kill one guilty person is wrong
You just condemned a shite ton of people in the military and intelligence community. Sure you want to be that pure in your morality?
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:28 am to Indiana Tiger
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You just condemned a shite ton of people in the military and intelligence community. Sure you want to be that pure in your morality?
This is apples and oranges and you can’t make blanket comparisons like that. You have to look at the different situations individually. Within the context of this show, for example if many of the murders committed by the Jennings were done by CIA agents in Moscow, yes they should be condemned
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:37 am to H-Town Tiger
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This is apples and oranges and you can’t make blanket comparisons like that. You have to look at the different situations individually. Within the context of this show, for example if many of the murders committed by the Jennings were done by CIA agents in Moscow, yes they should be condemned
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:38 am to arktiger28
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But as the series went on he was able to commitment less and less of those atrocities. I’m not letting him off the hook but clearly his arc was meant to be one of increased morality. Look how he refused to let that girl be hurt.
Very good point. And when he killed the innocent scientist in the grain study building, he was pretty haunted by that.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:43 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:All part of the job.
He committed numerous homicides including innocent by standers.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:46 am to AlxTgr
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All part of the job.
That’s a cop out. Doesn’t change the fact he committed some atrocities that make him a terrible person
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:49 am to Byron Bojangles III
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yes. Drone strikes that kill 20 innocent people to kill one guilty person is wrong
I agree, but this is about condemning the actor not the act; the guy actually doing it. Is your position that the video game guy controlling the drone is a bad guy that should go to prison here? That he should have refused to do it?
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:55 am to Indiana Tiger
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but this is about condemning the actor not the act; the guy actually doing it
That depends on the situation. The guy controlling a drone should not be held responsible the political leaders bear that responsibility. But there are rules of engagement and soldiers can be held responsible for violating them
Posted on 8/7/18 at 12:01 pm to H-Town Tiger
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All part of the job.
That’s a cop out. Doesn’t change the fact he committed some atrocities that make him a terrible person
Your comment is the true cop out. Life, especially war, is just not a simple choice between good and bad and you can't do it with clean hands. Don't get me wrong. Bad things were done and if they were caught they would pay for it here, but at the same time they were considered heroes back home. They weren't doing bad things just because; they had reasons they believed in. It is a dirty fricking job regardless of the side you are on, but necessary.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 12:04 pm to H-Town Tiger
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That depends on the situation. The guy controlling a drone should not be held responsible the political leaders bear that responsibility. But there are rules of engagement and soldiers can be held responsible for violating them
Elizabeth and Phillip are the drone pilots in this context.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 12:12 pm to Indiana Tiger
nina was so hot
Posted on 8/7/18 at 12:34 pm to Indiana Tiger
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Your comment is the true cop out. Life, especially war, is just not a simple choice between good and bad and you can't do it with clean hands.
No I’m sorry there are things that are right and wrong even in war. Of course the lines are blurred or shifted and many things that in normal circumstances would be wrong are acceptable in war but not all, that’s why you have to look at each individual situation. Like Omar in the Wire, anyone in “the game” is fair game but not the civilians. Hell the mob long operate that way. So killing a FBI agent or a Soviet defector is different that a college working in a computer lab.
Philip and even Elizabeth ultimately wrestled with that, that’s why he refused to set up Kimmie and why she doesn’t kill that kid that worked for Sam Nunn.
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but at the same time they were considered heroes back home.
Of course. That doesn’t make what they did any less evil.
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Elizabeth and Phillip are the drone pilots in this context.
no they weren’t, not by a long shot. This post was edited on 8/7/18 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 8/7/18 at 12:40 pm to rondo
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nina was so hot
Time to get this thread back on the tracks.. it's been derailed by this lame arse morality talk and drone hypotheticals
Annet Mahendru aka Nina
Posted on 8/7/18 at 12:54 pm to 225bred
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what was your thoughts on the finale?
One of the best series finales ever.
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I totally didn't see it coming when Paige hopped off the train
I didn't either. Blew me away.
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Philip and Elizabeth were such bad people,
Yes, they were.
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I wanted Stan Beeman to bust their arse,
He did. But, he also chose to let them go.
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But I suppose the parents having to abandon their kids and go back to shitty Russia to live out a miserable existence was an even worse punishment.
There was foreshadowing of this in one of the first series episodes.
Not just having to leave Henry, but having Paige abandon them. I doubt their existence in Russia would be miserable. It was very uncertain, to be sure. And, you know that Elizabeth would be horrified at what would be happening to the USSR and Eastern Bloc in the next 5 years.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 12:58 pm to udtiger
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There was foreshadowing of this in one of the first series episodes.
Not just having to leave Henry, but having Paige abandon them. I doubt their existence in Russia would be miserable. It was very uncertain, to be sure. And, you know that Elizabeth would be horrified at what would be happening to the USSR and Eastern Bloc in the next 5 years.
Good point. Communism and the USSR was about to fall for good... literally everything she did to protect their way of life and ideology was abt to be for nill...
Posted on 8/7/18 at 1:02 pm to 225bred
I didn't like the finale. I felt like they needed something more than just running.
I did like Paige getting off the train. I hope the rumors of a paige spin off are not true, as she was a horrific actress
I did like Paige getting off the train. I hope the rumors of a paige spin off are not true, as she was a horrific actress
Posted on 8/7/18 at 1:05 pm to brian_wilson
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I did like Paige getting off the train. I hope the rumors of a paige spin off are not true, as she was a horrific actress
I haven't heard those rumors. I'd be open to it though.
She's not bad to look at
Posted on 8/7/18 at 2:07 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:But are they atrocities? Is Ethan Hunt a terrible person? James Bond?
That’s a cop out. Doesn’t change the fact he committed some atrocities that make him a terrible person
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