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re: Surviving Barstool
Posted on 12/1/23 at 9:53 am to clownbaby
Posted on 12/1/23 at 9:53 am to clownbaby
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Said he heard all the criticism from the poors and even though he thinks it’s crazy
I do agree getting upset over $10 is crazy. BUT its equally as crazy to expect your customers to cover your loss as a half a billion dollar company.
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Posted on 12/1/23 at 11:07 am to clownbaby
It's the way it unfolded that doesn't sit right with anyone.
They could have made it PPV from the start which people can live with but you can't market the product for months as free on youtube, give them 3 episodes and then switch to a PPV product with reasoning that is suspect at best.
The logic just isn't there on why this needs to be $10 all of a sudden.
ETA nothing about it adds up. Is there a single functioning brain at this company? Who thought the videos would pass YouTubes rules?
They could have made it PPV from the start which people can live with but you can't market the product for months as free on youtube, give them 3 episodes and then switch to a PPV product with reasoning that is suspect at best.
The logic just isn't there on why this needs to be $10 all of a sudden.
ETA nothing about it adds up. Is there a single functioning brain at this company? Who thought the videos would pass YouTubes rules?
This post was edited on 12/1/23 at 11:42 am
Posted on 12/1/23 at 11:09 am to More beer please
It just seems coordinated to me. Every barstool person is parroting the company line every time Dave tweets something about it. I agree that getting panties in a wad for 10 bucks is stupid but it's the internet
Posted on 12/1/23 at 11:42 am to Civildawg
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I agree that getting panties in a wad for 10 bucks is stupid but it's the internet
A lot of it is subscription fatigue. The consumer is being asked to subscribe to 100 different things, 5.99 here, 9.99 there. People are just over it.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 11:55 am to hiltacular
No doubt, I'm not paying it
Posted on 12/1/23 at 12:58 pm to Civildawg
i probably would pay for it tbh, i find it incredibly good as i mentioned previously.
however, i will not admit that in any non anonymous forum and agree with everyone that it's complete bullshite the way it happened, whether it's their fault or not. how was nobody in a room telling them how bad this was going to look?
however, i will not admit that in any non anonymous forum and agree with everyone that it's complete bullshite the way it happened, whether it's their fault or not. how was nobody in a room telling them how bad this was going to look?
Posted on 12/1/23 at 1:07 pm to hiltacular
guessing he assumed this would be something the stoolies would just take up arms against youtube and fork over the $10 just to show them.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 1:07 pm to hiltacular
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This is a bait and switch money grab and totally on brand for them
Name all the other bait and switch money grabs they've done in the past.
If its "on Brand" there should be plenty of examples.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 1:12 pm to Civildawg
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Every barstool person is parroting the company line every time Dave tweets something about it.
This isn't evidence of shite. Thats how barstool always operates when someone or some company comes after one their own.
I just don't think they did it on purpose. there is no real gain because the majority of viewers aren't gonna pay the $10 and like it is in this thread, its done a ton of harm to do it this way.
They also have a history of game shows on Youtube and have never pulled anything like this in the past. I think Youtube really did flag their show for the bomb threat and Barstools big mistake is not just releasing teh remainder of episodes on X OR just editing that scene out of a previous episode and moving forward on Youtube.
I haven't decided if its worth $10 for me yet but I definitely don't think Barstool planned this on purpose.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 1:18 pm to hiltacular
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The logic just isn't there on why this needs to be $10 all of a sudden.
The logic is that they are losing out on the revenue sharing on Youtube and need to make up that money to at least break even.
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Who thought the videos would pass YouTubes rules?
There are videos on Youtube of ACTUAL building being blown up in Palestine with people inside that aren't taken down. There is no consistent application of the rules which makes it difficult for content creators (not just barstool) to judge what is ok and what isn't. And pushing the limit is what makes barstool great and what kinda limited them when partnered with Penn.
I watch a good bit of youtube and they all complain about videos being demonetized or taken down for the most obscure rule violations. One guy I watch got flagged this year for a video he posted in 2016. If you get flagged so many times, they freeze your account. Youtube has a ton of rules and similar to the NCAA they enforce them when they feel like it.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 1:34 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
This gets much more attention to
The show now than the initial broadcastings
And Dave doing multiple emergency press conference diatribes about it all
It’s how barstool operates.
Like what they would do with meangirl pod.. they would put the clips out and then every show and other pod would discuss and talk about it constantly causing “beef” with other employees and it is just so forced
The show now than the initial broadcastings
And Dave doing multiple emergency press conference diatribes about it all
It’s how barstool operates.
Like what they would do with meangirl pod.. they would put the clips out and then every show and other pod would discuss and talk about it constantly causing “beef” with other employees and it is just so forced
Posted on 12/1/23 at 1:39 pm to Lawyered
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This gets much more attention to
The show now than the initial broadcastings
Not really. they will get MUCH fewer viewers behind a paywall than they did on Youtube.
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And Dave doing multiple emergency press conference diatribes about it all
It’s how barstool operates.
Like you said, Its how Barstool operates. When they feel wronged, they do a full court press on socials.
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ike what they would do with meangirl pod.. they would put the clips out and then every show and other pod would discuss and talk about it constantly causing “beef” with other employees and it is just so forced
The mean girls pod clips drove traffic but they never used them to put anything behind a paywall. The idea that this is some trick they use often is just not accurate. They will also make less money from the show now than if it was never removed from Youtube.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 1:49 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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The idea that this is some trick they use often is just not accurate.
Whether it was intentional or not Dave clearly misjudged the consumer.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 1:52 pm to More beer please
I can't laugh at this board when it comes to stuff like this.
The general consensus is "frick the woke", "we love free speech"
But when a corporation (Google/YouTube in this case) fricks over a company (barstool) to the point that they decide to host their own content, this board flips out over them asking a $10 fee to recoup the losses.
The hypocrisy is funny to me.
The general consensus is "frick the woke", "we love free speech"
But when a corporation (Google/YouTube in this case) fricks over a company (barstool) to the point that they decide to host their own content, this board flips out over them asking a $10 fee to recoup the losses.
The hypocrisy is funny to me.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 1:52 pm to More beer please
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Whether it was intentional or not Dave clearly misjudged the consumer.
I don't think he had a choice. They no longer have the billions of dollars at Penn backing them so if a major production doesn't break even it hurts the company majorly.
He was relying on the Youtube revenue sharing and without it, he has to make up the money somehow.
It also really shows how much people try to make Barstool the bad guy. Me and 2 other posters were in this thread discussing the show until they put it behind a paywall and now all you bozos are in here butt hurt about something you didn't care to discuss in the first place.
This post was edited on 12/1/23 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 12/1/23 at 2:11 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Calling your fanbase poor isn’t smart, I don’t care who you are. I think Dave is great and his whole persona is hilarious , but I think he’s transformed into a caricature of himself and can’t turn it off at this point.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 4:20 pm to UnluckyTiger
Right. You can say people are being cheap, etc but calling people balking at your price is a bad look, you know “for the common man”
Biting the hand that feeds you isn’t wise, especially since it’s no longer Monopoly money Dave is playing with
Biting the hand that feeds you isn’t wise, especially since it’s no longer Monopoly money Dave is playing with
Posted on 12/1/23 at 5:07 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Bro relax. I like barstool, but you're sucking the dick a little hard there.
shite talking your consumers after passing along the loss to them isnt smart. Its pretty simple. Especially when you brag about massive bonuses to your producers. Being a business owner, I get it, but read the room.
I'll still watch it at some point because it was good content. And I was in here discussing the show.
shite talking your consumers after passing along the loss to them isnt smart. Its pretty simple. Especially when you brag about massive bonuses to your producers. Being a business owner, I get it, but read the room.
I'll still watch it at some point because it was good content. And I was in here discussing the show.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 5:16 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
frick Dave and the rest of those pieces of shite. Doing a fricking bait and switch. Im glad this blew up in his face and I hope there are consequences for Portnoy. He doesnt give two shits about his customers, and double frick him for not understanding why his fanbase is pissed and instead of doing the right thing, he has the rest of his retards berate anyone that tries to question his decision online.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 6:00 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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He was relying on the Youtube revenue sharing and without it, he has to make up the money somehow.
I would argue that he really doesn't in the short term. This season was getting really big numbers for them. Take the short term loss and watch it pay dividends by bringing new people in.
I didn't watch any barstool outside of PMT when I caught the first season of Surviving Barstool and found Nick to be hilarious - so I started watching the Yak and so on and so on.
I hate the decision to put it behind a paywall because it limits future growth and exposure for the company when they were really breaking through a bit with this show.
I also find it hard to sympathize with "losing money" when Dave is regularly making six figure bets. He could cut off the gambling for a month and use the money he doesn't lose to pay the difference. It'll yield better results down the road by getting more eyeballs on the brand.
This post was edited on 12/1/23 at 6:01 pm
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