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re: Supreme Leader Snoke's identity all but confirmed (spoilers obviously)
Posted on 12/29/15 at 11:31 am to GoCrazyAuburn
Posted on 12/29/15 at 11:31 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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The main reason so many have issues with Lucas using the term "balance".
You could argue that The Force Awakens is our first glimpse of what "balance" looks like.
There is one Jedi and one possible Sith (or Dark Side master if you prefer). Everything else is about the various force sensitives scattered throughout the galaxy and whether or not they will choose a side.
Snoke has Ren as an apprentice and now Luke has Rey (possibly) as an apprentice.
Balance.
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Posted on 12/29/15 at 11:33 am to Green Chili Tiger
Very possible.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 11:37 am to Green Chili Tiger
And also there was no specification as to how long the "balance" would last. It could have simply been the moment Vader killed the Emperor was the reset moment of "balance" in the force.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 11:43 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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Yep, the scores that were made for the prequels were phenomenal. I did not feel the same from TFA. The scores were good, but mostly re-hashes of the original stuff. The score during Order 66 was phenomenal as well. This was something I felt was slightly missing in these films, IMO.
Maybe its just my perception, but movie scores aren't as "grand" as they were years ago. You don't see signature themes/marches in superhero/action movies like you did with the early Star Wars/Superman movies. Everything is little more subtle. Grandiose themes/scores like the Superman March or the Imperial March really go a long way to solidify a characters development. It kind of gives feeling that things are fully formed. Characters are written to be deeper and more flawed now. You see this in a lot of movies now where directors don't want the score to be a separate character or do all of the work for the audience. Williams is GOAT but maybe the intent was to keep The Force Awakens score a little more grounded than your typical Star Wars movie. The characters like Rey, Kylo, etc. are only at the beginning of their development, so perhaps the intent was to build the score as we go on.
Of course I could be talking out of my arse and Williams simply didn't want to waste good themes on the first movie like he did with Dual of the Fates.
This post was edited on 12/29/15 at 11:46 am
Posted on 12/29/15 at 11:46 am to FairhopeTider
Possible, but even ROTS had some phenomenal scores IMO.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 11:50 am to FairhopeTider
Am I the only one who liked the theme for Kylo?
Posted on 12/29/15 at 11:52 am to Draconian Sanctions
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And also there was no specification as to how long the "balance" would last.
Good point.
Hell, we could find out later that, by training new Jedi, Luke discovered that he was actually un-balancing the force which led to his withdrawal to isolation.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 11:52 am to VaBamaMan
I wasn't a big fan of it. Not that it was bad by any means, and it probably suffers from being compared to some truly great themes, but it just didn't really come across all that great to me.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 11:53 am to Green Chili Tiger
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Hell, we could find out later that, by training new Jedi, Luke discovered that he was actually un-balancing the force which led to his withdrawal to isolation.
Yep, I actually made this observation in another thread as well. That would be an interesting angle for them to take.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 11:54 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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Possible, but even ROTS had some phenomenal scores IMO.
No doubt, but I'm talking more along the lines of movie scores moving in this direction over the last decade. Batman Begins was one of the first superhero movies where the soundtrack didn't stand out to you. They didn't play the James Bond theme a lot in Casino Royale because Bond hadn't fully become "Bond" just yet. The Man of Steel theme is not near as grandiose as William's Superman March. As cool and good as they are, Hans Zimmer scores aren't exactly staples of pop culture.
That said, the score during the final scene is damn near perfect.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 12:00 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Yep, I actually made this observation in another thread as well. That would be an interesting angle for them to take.
If they wanted to, they could turn this whole thing in to a Northern Ireland/Catholics vs Protestants type of thing on a galactic scale.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 12:11 pm to Green Chili Tiger
That would be interesting. They could approach it with the angle that Anakin Skywalker blood has the ability to balance the force. Naturally, that means it also has the ability to unbalance the force.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 12:15 pm to FairhopeTider
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Maybe its just my perception, but movie scores aren't as "grand" as they were years ago. You don't see signature themes/marches in superhero/action movies like you did with the early Star Wars/Superman movies. Everything is little more subtle. Grandiose themes/scores like the Superman March or the Imperial March really go a long way to solidify a characters development. It kind of gives feeling that things are fully formed. Characters are written to be deeper and more flawed now. You see this in a lot of movies now where directors don't want the score to be a separate character or do all of the work for the audience.
You can blame Hans Zimmer and his acolytes for this. Thankfully someone like Giacchino still generally understands classical scoring, but Zimmer has ruined film scores IMO (even if they, sometimes, are cool pieces, he has completely abandoned "sound as character," and moved to "sound as effect," and I detest him for that.)
This post was edited on 12/29/15 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 12/29/15 at 12:22 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
I just felt like it did what ya'll are saying scores no longer do. It helped build the character. I thought it fit him perfectly. Almost as well as the Imperial March fit Vader.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 12:25 pm to Freauxzen
quote:I disagree with this. I like the classical scores, but I also like Zimmer's style too. I think having a variety of scoring methods, just like anything else, is beneficial.
but Zimmer has ruined film scores IMO
Posted on 12/29/15 at 12:26 pm to Freauxzen
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You can blame Hans Zimmer and his acolytes for this. Thankfully someone like Giacchino still generally understands classical scoring, but Zimmer has ruined film scores IMO (even if they, sometimes, are cool pieces, he has completely abandoned "sound as character," and moved to "sound as effect," and I detest him for that.)
The one composer who I think has really been coming in to his own lately and has a little of the Zimmer sound only executed much much better is Henry Jackman.
His work on Captain Phillips, The Winter Soldier, Kingsman, Big Hero 6, and the tidbit we got to hear in the Civil War trailer is all outstanding.
He seems to be moving more and more to a delicious hybrid of Silvestri, Zimmer, and Williams.
Eta: His work on Man in the High Castle is outstanding as well.
This post was edited on 12/29/15 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 12/29/15 at 12:35 pm to VaBamaMan
I didn't feel like it built the character at all. It just seemed like it was present, but didn't really add anything.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 12:44 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
Totally eliminating the dark side would be an "absolute".
According to Obi-Wan, only a sith deals in absolutes.
So yea, round and round we go.
According to Obi-Wan, only a sith deals in absolutes.
So yea, round and round we go.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 12:47 pm to RollTide1987
All this light vs. darkside of the force reminds me of the New Jedi Order books. When the Yuuzhan Vong invaded, they had a person with them who turned out to be a Jedi from the old republic. I don't remember her name. She was not around for the rise of the empire and the death of the Jedi order, so she was very confused when she returned to her home galaxy expecting to find thousands of Jedi, but only finding Luke's small Jedi Order.
At one point in the book, she reveals to Luke that the big secret (or lie) of the Jedi was that there is no dark or light side of the Force. The Force is just the Force; it is neither good nor bad. The dark side lies within the individual and the choices they make.
I like this theory a lot better than there being two sides to the Force.
At one point in the book, she reveals to Luke that the big secret (or lie) of the Jedi was that there is no dark or light side of the Force. The Force is just the Force; it is neither good nor bad. The dark side lies within the individual and the choices they make.
I like this theory a lot better than there being two sides to the Force.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 12:49 pm to Green Chili Tiger
I was really hoping they would let Giacchino collaborate with Williams on this one
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