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Posted on 5/7/23 at 10:47 pm to
Posted by DiamondDog
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2019
13212 posts
Posted on 5/7/23 at 10:47 pm to
I can't believe the way she no sold Tom to everyone in the room. Just wild. Then the tables turn on her and she's in hysterics.

These selfish idiots have no idea what it's like playing with no safety net. Tom isn't innocent but he sees the board, knows his position and reacts as the board changes.

Shiv has no idea what it's like to sing for your supper. None. In the end, she gets cut out, she still bags some money and goes home happy but disappointed.

Tom..and even Greg...have nothing.
Posted by SlimTigerSlap
Member since Apr 2022
4313 posts
Posted on 5/7/23 at 10:47 pm to
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Tom about to destroy everything and everyone



That had to cut deep when she told Tom, "I don't like you." Must suck loving someone that feels this way about you.
Posted by CaptSpaulding
Member since Feb 2012
6974 posts
Posted on 5/7/23 at 11:07 pm to
Shiv walking back inside

Posted by St Augustine
The Pauper of the Surf
Member since Mar 2006
72072 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 7:33 am to
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love this show and enjoy listening to several different recap podcasts about it. But I feel like when it comes to Shiv in particular, I just don’t see what they see. Some of them talk about her as the flawed heroine of the whole thing and it seems like we’re not watching the same show.


Welcome to 2023
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
181898 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 7:36 am to
I hope somehow Shiv ends up a homeless broke beggar. I hate the character so much.
Posted by St Augustine
The Pauper of the Surf
Member since Mar 2006
72072 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 8:08 am to
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If Greg keeps playing both sides, and the other characters continue undermining each other, perhaps he’ll end Succession by doing more than just firing employees: He could run the whole damn company. I’m just saying: Maybe Greg’s name was on Logan’s fabled piece of paper for a reason.


From the ringer recap.

Let’s fricking ride!
Posted by 12
Redneck part of Florida
Member since Nov 2010
19834 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 9:20 am to
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HR says I’m the right guy for the job because it looks like I care…but I don’t.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
122472 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 9:26 am to
Greg is retarded
Posted by Captain Crown
Member since Jun 2011
57006 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 9:29 am to
Got my heart racing watching that interaction whew
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
Member since Nov 2012
52271 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 9:51 am to
So Kendall and Shiv are both trying to undermine the other siblings except for Roman. I'm really curious how this ends and if they'll be successful with the reverse Viking. the Shiv/Tom scene is the best scene the show has ever done.

Connor Roy American Ambassador to North Korea yes please!

Also Kendall being woke was funny.

L to the O-G
Wo to the K-E
And he gaying!
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
107901 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 9:53 am to
quote:

I love this show and enjoy listening to several different recap podcasts about it. But I feel like when it comes to Shiv in particular, I just don’t see what they see. Some of them talk about her as the flawed heroine of the whole thing and it seems like we’re not watching the same show.


This my take on Shiv from a more feminist (I know that’s going to trigger some folks here, but frick it) perspective.

I think there’s some things that can be simultaneously true about Shiv:

- She can be an absolutely horrible person and has been awful to Tom (while Tom’s not perfect). She deserved everything he said to her in that argument.

- She should’ve stayed a political analyst. And taken up Gil’s offer for a potential cabinet spot. She is very good at that and should’ve accepted that’s where her strength was.

- I don’t think she’s any more horrible than the others, we’re just more invested in hating her because Tom is more likable than most and her personal life is playing out on a larger scale for us than any of the others because of Tom’s position with the company. They’re all horrible people.

- She could’ve been very good on the business end had she followed her Dad’s plan for her to “train” within the company for multiple years. She has enough savvy and intelligence that she could’ve developed that in the business realm.

- She’s desperate for someone to love her. Much like Roman (and Kendall to a degree) she chased her Dad’s potential acceptance and approval. And that’s a crutch for her.

ETA: I don’t see her as a heroine at all. I see her as a woman who is fighting for position but is woefully under tooled because of her own decisions and to a degree the lack of her own Dad putting her in a position to succeed. I actually appreciate that she isn’t anywhere near perfect.
This post was edited on 5/8/23 at 9:56 am
Posted by Jwodie
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2009
7433 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 9:53 am to
“That’s a bit homophobic bro, don’t you think?”
Posted by longhorn22
Nicholls St. Fan
Member since Jan 2007
43082 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 10:06 am to
Last night's episode was pure gold. Always plenty of "setting up" to get to other moments etc... but last night had some great moments. If every episode was that great... it would be too much right?
Posted by coolpapaboze
Parts Unknown
Member since Dec 2006
21728 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 10:14 am to
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Did I just see Cousin Larry from Perfect Strangers? Whoa

Yes, yes you did.
Posted by Crow Pie
Neuro ICU - Tulane Med Center
Member since Feb 2010
27734 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 11:38 am to
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Last night's episode was pure gold. Always plenty of "setting up" to get to other moments etc... but last night had some great moments. If every episode was that great... it would be too much right?
Tom and Shiv were like two high schoolers texting each other love candy at the beginning of the episode ....only to turn and go full metal jacket on each other on the balcony at the end.

Surprised one of them didn't jump off.
Posted by LaLadyinTx
Cypress, TX
Member since Nov 2018
7300 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 11:53 am to
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The Gerry firing was a bit of an overreach but still possibly defensible. I thought his comment about even if you don’t believe in me I need you to act like you do or something like that was really insightful in an odd way


The problem with the Gerri firing is that she knows where all the bodies are buried and pretty much can't be just let go without an agreement. She knows that. Everyone knows that. That's why the inner circle never goes away.

Hell, if I were Gerri, I'd be begging for the golden parachute! Every time I've been in similar situations (mergers where folks were going to be gone) people all hope to be gone and get the package. No one wants to stay!
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
40286 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 12:41 pm to
quote:


This my take on Shiv from a more feminist (I know that’s going to trigger some folks here, but frick it) perspective.

I think there’s some things that can be simultaneously true about Shiv:


Nothing you said is wrong and the same could be said about the rest of the family. They are deeply flawed people and the writers aren't shy to let you know they suck.

It is just funny seeing reddit/twitter/podcasters do the "shiv is a queen" thing when she is as bad or worse
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
20045 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 12:46 pm to
Everyone involved is either awful or an idiot or both.
Shiv is the most awful of the lot because she will throw anyone under the bus.
Tom has had to grind to the top only to have everyone keep shitting on him. He only wants to be accepted as one of their own but never will.

Posted by UnSmitty_Bop
Member since Dec 2020
207 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 12:57 pm to
LMAO when Mattson called him Gary
Posted by Jamohn
Das Boot
Member since Mar 2009
13602 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 1:40 pm to
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- She should’ve stayed a political analyst. And taken up Gil’s offer for a potential cabinet spot. She is very good at that and should’ve accepted that’s where her strength was.

I'm not even sure she's particularly good at that. One thing I thought was clear and that she picked up on in a rare instance of insight by her was that Gil only wanted her on his team to stick it to Logan and ATN as a feather in his cap. I'm not sure her competence really played into that.

I'm not sure she's any more competent than her failbrothers. Roman is the most emotionally intelligent and best at reading a room by far, but he's also by far the worst executive and the least in control of his Id. His also probably more aware of his limitations than the other 3 siblings.
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