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Posted on 2/18/19 at 2:22 pm to Havoc
Walt poisoned a small child
Even Tony would not stoop that low
Even Tony would not stoop that low
Posted on 2/18/19 at 2:25 pm to TheTideMustRoll
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the protagonists are probably the worst people in the world
In a similar vein I'd say Shameless is the same. Especially Frank. I actually stopped watching a few seasons in because it went from "Ah, Frank the scoundrel with his schemes," to like, "This guy is a really shitty person and I'm actually getting mad the way he takes advantage of everyone he comes across."
Posted on 2/18/19 at 2:25 pm to RGJ18
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it's when he doesn't say anything when the kid on the bike gets killed.
That was me. But I felt for him pretty badly in the finale when he was looking through the apartment at his son getting off the bus. That was gut wrenching as a dad.
Posted on 2/18/19 at 2:37 pm to RGJ18
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Spoiler alert:
For me, it was when he killed Mike. For others, it's when he let Jessie's girlfriend die in her sleep. For others, it's his first kill of the crazy 8 guy. For others, it's when he doesn't say anything when the kid on the bike gets killed. Some are on his side until the very end.
It's a matter of how much can you justify and when do you flip on WW.
Or I don't know, as soon as he starts making illegal drugs
Posted on 2/18/19 at 2:37 pm to theGarnetWay
I wouldn't consider the gang from Always Sunny or the Gallaghers to be the "good guys" though... just the main characters of the show. It's obvious that they are all pretty terrible people.
Posted on 2/18/19 at 2:44 pm to Tiger1242
It is established over the course of the series, with a ten year gap every now and then in production, that every character on Absolutely Fabulous was, at heart, a fairly horrible person. Even Saffron was a tool bag at times.
Posted on 2/18/19 at 2:53 pm to Tiger1242
If you look at the Office from the perspective of anyone but Pam, Jim, or Michael, Pam and Jim are terrible.
Jim is a self indulgent dick with superiority issues. Until the last season of a long running show, he is no better than the others in terms of success or accomplishment. When he does accomplish more, he does so by lying to his wife and treating her like shite. Yet he acts like he's so much smarter than anyone else.
On her part, Pam openly flirted with Jim for a couple of seasons while stringing her fiance Roy along before dumping him. Then she pushes Jim away yet still quietly manipulates him back to her after he's found a much better looking and more stable girlfriend. We later find out that Roy was a pretty decent guy all along.
I guess they do deserve each other, though.
Jim is a self indulgent dick with superiority issues. Until the last season of a long running show, he is no better than the others in terms of success or accomplishment. When he does accomplish more, he does so by lying to his wife and treating her like shite. Yet he acts like he's so much smarter than anyone else.
On her part, Pam openly flirted with Jim for a couple of seasons while stringing her fiance Roy along before dumping him. Then she pushes Jim away yet still quietly manipulates him back to her after he's found a much better looking and more stable girlfriend. We later find out that Roy was a pretty decent guy all along.
I guess they do deserve each other, though.
Posted on 2/18/19 at 2:53 pm to keks tadpole
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Sienfield
First thing I thought of
Posted on 2/18/19 at 2:57 pm to tigahbruh
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If you look at the Office from the perspective of anyone but Pam, Jim, or Michael, Pam and Jim are terrible.
Jim is a self indulgent dick with superiority issues. Until the last season of a long running show, he is no better than the others in terms of success or accomplishment. When he does accomplish more, he does so by lying to his wife and treating her like shite. Yet he acts like he's so much smarter than anyone else.
On her part, Pam openly flirted with Jim for a couple of seasons while stringing her fiance Roy along before dumping him. Then she pushes Jim away yet still quietly manipulates him back to her after he's found a much better looking and more stable girlfriend. We later find out that Roy was a pretty decent guy all along.
I guess they do deserve each other, though.
So much this. I was never a huge "The Office" fan like most people I know, in part, because this all seemed so obvious to me. There was no one character on that show with redeeming qualities worth rooting for. They were all terrible, which is ok if you're funny, but most characters on the Office are just cringe inducing. They're only funny by being the butt of an awkward joke on themselves. Other than some of Jim's elaborate and straight up evil pranks, the show is rarely actually funny, just pure cringe.
Posted on 2/18/19 at 2:59 pm to Tiger1242
Braveheart
Posted on 2/18/19 at 3:05 pm to tigahbruh
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On her part, Pam openly flirted with Jim for a couple of seasons while stringing her fiance Roy along before dumping him. Then she pushes Jim away yet still quietly manipulates him back to her after he's found a much better looking and more stable girlfriend. We later find out that Roy was a pretty decent guy all along.
I'm all for the fun Jim and Pam suck threads, but I think you mixed up a lot of things in this paragraph, or I'm the one not remembering correctly.
Pam didn't string Roy along. Roy never committed to a date for their wedding.
Also, I think Jim was moving away to Stamford when Pam broke up with Roy. So, Jim was leaving anyway. She didn't push him away post-Roy. When Jim got back, he was with Karen. So, Pam had to bide her time. To her credit, she did befriend Karen.
Roy became a decent guy after realizing how shitty he was with Pam. He also went to AA, I believe.
Posted on 2/18/19 at 3:06 pm to Freauxzen
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Or I don't know, as soon as he starts making illegal drugs
Meh.
Posted on 2/18/19 at 3:15 pm to Freauxzen
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Or I don't know, as soon as he starts making illegal drug
If I were to grow weed in my closet, would you consider me a "bad guy"? I don't grow weed in my closet....but if I did...
Posted on 2/18/19 at 3:16 pm to McCaigBro69
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"I can't believe there's still slavery in the galaxy. The Republic's anti-slavery laws—"
"The Republic doesn't exist out here. We must survive on our own."
?Padmé Amidala and Shmi Skywalker discuss slavery on Tatooine
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Although the Galactic Republic outlawed slavery, it still existed around the time of the Clone Wars. The Outer Rim planet of Tatooine had a slave population living in Mos Espa, and slaves had chips implanted into their bodies that would explode if the slave attempted to escape. Centuries earlier, Zygerria controlled a powerful Slave Empire. However, the Jedi Order cracked down on the Zygerrian slaving operations and liberated the enslaved beings
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During the Age of the Empire, slavery once again became commonplace, particularly among alien species, which were considered inferior by the human-dominated Galactic Empire. With the rise of the Empire, the softening and eventual repeal of laws outlawing slavery led to the classification of some species, such as the Wookiees, as non-sentient. As a result, the Wookiees were pressed into slavery building much of the Imperial war machine, or serving in the notorious spice mines of Kessel following the Empire's conquest of their homeworld of Kashyyyk. Another example were the reptilian Bodach'i species who were enslaved and forced to work in the species mines of Kerev Doi as "reparations" for their homeworld's repeated defiance of Imperial decrees. In addition, the Empire used slaves from several alien species to keep Weapons Factory Alpha (the largest weapons factory in the galaxy) running day and night.
Posted on 2/18/19 at 3:37 pm to Mr. Hangover
Pump the brakes.
Nursing Home - misunderstanding/peaceful parting/destroyed by banditry
Herschels - join together
Farm Bandits - try to peacefully release captured one. Shane Franks him.
Governor - ego tyrant, they over throw him after he murders his own posse, let citizens join.
Gov part deux - starts shite scatters his old people and new to the wind.
Abraham and Co - join up
Murder bikers - try to show Coral some red hot Catholic love.
Termites - cannibals
Police station - enslaving people.
Alexandria - weak people that don't realize how nuts the rest of world is. Okay sliding down the villain ladder here, maybe. Maybe.
Wolves - a-hole furry slavers
Hilltop - under the heel of Sanctuary/ Join up
Sanctuary - slave driving black mail artist
Kingdom - more pragmatically under the heel/ join up
Oceanside - raided but weren't assholes about it
Garbage people - totally valid in setting it on fire.
I stopped show after All out War.
But really their only true villain moments were Alexandria at the beginning (for Rick) and Oceanside.
Nursing Home - misunderstanding/peaceful parting/destroyed by banditry
Herschels - join together
Farm Bandits - try to peacefully release captured one. Shane Franks him.
Governor - ego tyrant, they over throw him after he murders his own posse, let citizens join.
Gov part deux - starts shite scatters his old people and new to the wind.
Abraham and Co - join up
Murder bikers - try to show Coral some red hot Catholic love.
Termites - cannibals
Police station - enslaving people.
Alexandria - weak people that don't realize how nuts the rest of world is. Okay sliding down the villain ladder here, maybe. Maybe.
Wolves - a-hole furry slavers
Hilltop - under the heel of Sanctuary/ Join up
Sanctuary - slave driving black mail artist
Kingdom - more pragmatically under the heel/ join up
Oceanside - raided but weren't assholes about it
Garbage people - totally valid in setting it on fire.
I stopped show after All out War.
But really their only true villain moments were Alexandria at the beginning (for Rick) and Oceanside.
Posted on 2/18/19 at 3:53 pm to NIH
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Star Wars
The Emperor and Vader ran a more orderly and peaceful galaxy than the Rebels/Resistance/8 people left
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peaceful galaxy
Posted on 2/18/19 at 3:57 pm to dnm3305
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If I were to grow weed in my closet, would you consider me a "bad guy"? I don't grow weed in my closet....but if I did...
Totally the same thing as cooking methPosted on 2/18/19 at 4:08 pm to NIH
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This post was edited on 5/10/21 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 2/18/19 at 4:10 pm to Nobelium
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The Separatists are the good guys in Star Wars. The Republic is absurdly corrupt (massive centralized government, Jedi gestapo, slave army) and the Empire and Rebels are too incompetent to run the galaxy
The guys that invaded Naboo because a hooded blue hologram told them to?
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