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Posted on 4/15/25 at 9:24 am to CocomoLSU
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It's a show all over the map and it definitely goes off the rails wildly a few times. So for me it's nowhere near a "best of" type of show. But it is really solid and for reasons difficult to put into words, I did really like it.
It is definitely overrated by this board though. And that's not a bad thing really, but it definitely was not as good as I had hoped it would be.
Agree. Watched first time last fall.
Good show, maybe great, but not best level.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 10:19 am to Havoc
This preacher can't get out of his own way. Every time it looks like things are going well, he fricks it up.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 10:26 am to CocomoLSU
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Overall, I think S2 dips a good bit in quality from S1, and then S3 is lesser as well. S1 is definitely the high point for me
Probably the first time I've ever heard this opinion. Wow.
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definitely goes off the rails wildly a few times
Any parts in particular you can point to?
Posted on 4/15/25 at 10:40 am to iwyLSUiwy
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Probably the first time I've ever heard this opinion. Wow.
That seems to be a theme based on the responses.
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Any parts in particular you can point to?
Spoilers....
Wasn't crazy about the complete landscape change to Jarden, TX. I did like the aspect of what made Jarden special. That was cool. But the change and complete shift of focus was jarring for me, in a bad way. And then we got bogged down with the neighbor kid storyline as well.
I didn't care for the Matt/wife story either. That whole thing was just weird. Plus Matt, as good of a character as he was, got on my nerves every time he was on screen.
The whole "Book of Kevin" thing where Matt literally thought he was a reincarnation of Jesus Christ was just kinda dumb.
And then the dream sequence episodes with the assassins and Kevin and Patty, I didn't care for any of those. I get what they were and the function they served, and why they were important within the framework of the show, but I didn't really enjoy them. It almost felt like the creator had his 10 year old sitting next to him being like "They should be ASSASSINS!" because he thought it sounded cool, rather than it being useful in execution (no pun intended).
I enjoyed the show more when it was dealing with the people not only dealing with the ramifications of the departure, but also figuring out what actually happened. And for that reason, I did enjoy toward the end of S3 since we at least got some sort of explanation of what happened (if you choose to believe Nora, which I think I do).
So I had my gripes about it. But like I said, I did still really enjoy the show, and it's difficult to fully explain why. I just did.
This post was edited on 4/15/25 at 10:46 am
Posted on 4/15/25 at 10:49 am to iwyLSUiwy
Some pretty twisted minds wrote this show.
The preacher knocks up his invalid wife
Some guy needs to be hit with a paddle while the hitter screams "Brian".
Naked guy in the stock can only be freed if someone takes his place
and Nora.. has to deal with
a BF who supposedly walks in his sleep and ends up in all kinds of cucked up situations
An abandoned hale black half Asian baby
and now has to take care of her invalid sister in law.
The preacher knocks up his invalid wife
Some guy needs to be hit with a paddle while the hitter screams "Brian".
Naked guy in the stock can only be freed if someone takes his place
and Nora.. has to deal with
a BF who supposedly walks in his sleep and ends up in all kinds of cucked up situations
An abandoned hale black half Asian baby
and now has to take care of her invalid sister in law.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 12:20 pm to CocomoLSU
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Spoilers....
*spoilers*
Just taking those one at a time...
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Wasn't crazy about the complete landscape change to Jarden, TX. I did like the aspect of what made Jarden special. That was cool. But the change and complete shift of focus was jarring for me, in a bad way. And then we got bogged down with the neighbor kid storyline as well.
I actually liked the neighbor story line. The tension between Kevin and the dad and also the tension of "did Kevin actually do something because the dude is losing his mind." Thought the twist of the daughter joining the remnant was great. Tying Meg into the Jarden storyline was just great writing. On my first watch I was legit shocked when the door opened and showed the daughter in the tank in all white.
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I didn't care for the Matt/wife story either. That whole thing was just weird. Plus Matt, as good of a character as he was, got on my nerves every time he was on screen.
I'm a big Matt fan but the stuff with his wife was weird. I personally think his wife did wake up and it wasn't Matt being a creep and banging his unconscious wife. I think through the course of the show he showed he was a good person and meant well and probably wouldn't do something that weird. Matt outside of Jarden was great too. Him getting up on the stake and his slong hanging out had me
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The whole "Book of Kevin" thing where Matt literally thought he was a reincarnation of Jesus Christ was just kinda dumb.
I think the book of Kevin was just something else to have in the back of your mind the whole time lingering "Is this dude really a Christ like figure?" Just little tid bits that would have you thinking maybe he was like when Kevin is telling about surviving a car crash and you have Matt simply saying "Interesting, I didn't know that about you Kevin." So as a viewer you just do amental note of "hmm, maybe there is something to this."
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And then the dream sequence episodes with the assassins and Kevin and Patty, I didn't care for any of those. I get what they were and the function they served, and why they were important within the framework of the show, but I didn't really enjoy them. It almost felt like the creator had his 10 year old sitting next to him being like "They should be ASSASSINS!" because he thought it sounded cool, rather than it being useful in execution (no pun intended).
Not like the dream sequence is actually hard for me to wrap my head around
It was out there for sure, but the dude was battling some major inner demons and was going to end up in the looney bin like his dad soon if he didn't do something. And Kevin had the option to be a few different things, almost Matrix style, but he just chose the assassins outfit. I think that writing was waaaaaay to deep for a 10 year old to come up with it. Plus we got more Patti Levin which is always a good thing. As much as you hate her, she is a fantastic character. I remember one of the wildest moments for me on my first watch was when Kevin went to see the older black man in his trailer to try and get help. The guy tells him what to do and Kevin is so desperate that he drinks the poison. You're like my God I hope this works. Then BAM, old dude shoots himself. That was one of the bigger wtf moments ever for me. Legit one of my all time favorite crazy TV moments.
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I enjoyed the show more when it was dealing with the people not only dealing with the ramifications of the departure, but also figuring out what actually happened. And for that reason, I did enjoy toward the end of S3 since we at least got some sort of explanation of what happened (if you choose to believe Nora, which I think I do).
So I had my gripes about it. But like I said, I did still really enjoy the show, and it's difficult to fully explain why. I just did.
Hey, you liked a show, that's a good thing. Glad you didn't walk away not liking it. It is hyped up around here, me being one of the main ones. But the weirder the show the better for me and this is weird as hell so it's right up my alley. And it was just top tier acting all the way around which is always nice.
Had Lindelof not made this show, I would probably still hate the guy because of the ending to LOST. But I will forever like him because he more than made up for it, for me, with this.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 12:21 pm to MorbidTheClown
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Some pretty twisted minds wrote this show.
Man you're getting to some really good stuff now.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 8:16 pm to MorbidTheClown
The author the book was adapted from is one of my favorites, yet I've never read that particular book (yet). Good timing, because I just noticed this on Max earlier today.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 10:12 pm to artisticsavant
The International Assassin stuff wws so awful that it ruined the show for me. Season 2 was the best. Season 1 was too slow and depressing and season 3 went off the rails like others have said.
Season 2 was influenced by this Australian film Picnic at Hanging Rock which is a good film. There was a remake with Natalie Dormer from Tudors and Game of Thrones, it was a series that was really good for several episodes but went off the rails near the end.
Season 2 was influenced by this Australian film Picnic at Hanging Rock which is a good film. There was a remake with Natalie Dormer from Tudors and Game of Thrones, it was a series that was really good for several episodes but went off the rails near the end.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 11:21 pm to CocomoLSU
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Overall, I think S2 dips a good bit in quality from S1, and then S3 is lesser as well. S1 is definitely the high point for me. But overall I liked the show a good bit
I thought S2 was the best season, and season 3 dipped trying to close things out and minimizing some things about Garvey and other mysteries without explaining why. I didn’t believe Coon. The lost guy struggles to close things out.
Season 1 was slower with a different creative team, or maybe it was having to go off the book unlike seasons 2 and 3. I can’t remember if the same teams worked across all 3 seasons or not.
I do remember there were some rumors about Netflix doing a season of it which obviously never came to fruition.
Holy Wayne in season one was a drooling freak. I couldn’t see the actor as anything else for a while until I saw him in a role earlier in his career as “Alan Johnson” on the Peep Show.
This post was edited on 4/16/25 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 4/16/25 at 2:31 am to McCaigBro69
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but we thought it personally went off the rails towards the end
It started off the rails. Great acting, silly story
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:08 am to Othello
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The International Assassin stuff wws so awful that it ruined the show for me. Season 2 was the best. Season 1 was too slow and depressing and season 3 went off the rails like others have said.
I wish I could give two downvotes. Couldn’t disagree more
International Assassins was voted one of the best episodes of TV this century. Brilliant writing and acting
I guess I’m the only one that loved S3 and thinks it’s the best. So many great episodes. The Book of Kevin, The Most Powerful Man in the World, G’Day Melbourne, and the brilliant finale(Book of Nora).
For reference, rotten tomatoes aggregate has S1- 85%, S2 92% and S3 99%
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:19 am to iwyLSUiwy
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Spoilers....
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Thought the twist of the daughter joining the remnant was great. Tying Meg into the Jarden storyline was just great writing. On my first watch I was legit shocked when the door opened and showed the daughter in the tank in all white.
I liked that as well. I just meant it felt like the majority of that season was tied into the neighbor/daughter stuff. Sure, the payoff was decent, but I didn't enjoy the ride, so to speak.
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I personally think his wife did wake up and it wasn't Matt being a creep and banging his unconscious wife.
Well yeah, they made that fairly clear once she woke back up and they talked about it. Of course he didn't rape his comatose wife.
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Not like the dream sequence is actually hard for me to wrap my head around It was out there for sure, but the dude was battling some major inner demons and was going to end up in the looney bin like his dad soon if he didn't do something. And Kevin had the option to be a few different things, almost Matrix style, but he just chose the assassins outfit. I think that writing was waaaaaay to deep for a 10 year old to come up with it. Plus we got more Patti Levin which is always a good thing. As much as you hate her, she is a fantastic character.
It was a jarring change to the show and I didn't like it. In a similar vein, I watched the Sopranos for the first time last year, and my absolute least favorite episodes were the dream ones. I'm not a huge fan of when shows do that. It hardly ever works for me. Leftovers was no exception.
Also, I don't hate Patty at all. Not sure where you got that or why you said that. She was a good character.
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I remember one of the wildest moments for me on my first watch was when Kevin went to see the older black man in his trailer to try and get help. The guy tells him what to do and Kevin is so desperate that he drinks the poison. You're like my God I hope this works. Then BAM, old dude shoots himself. That was one of the bigger wtf moments ever for me. Legit one of my all time favorite crazy TV moments.
That was a cool moment, but it also was sort of silly in that Kevin dying but not really dying lowered the stakes a lot for me. I'm not a fan of when stuff like that happens in shows or movies. It's one reason the superhero shite got old and stale for me...if you can control time and literally bring pretty much anybody back from the dead, then it removes the high stakes danger from it all. This show did that a bit with Kevin.
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But the weirder the show the better for me and this is weird as hell so it's right up my alley. And it was just top tier acting all the way around which is always nice.
I don't mind weird, but "weird for weird's sake" and not for any real logical reason isn't my bag really.
And I agree, the acting was good though. And like you said, I did like it. Kind of a lot too. But overall, I just think it's "a good show," and not much more than that. It's certainly nowhere near the top list of anything, not even HBO shows.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:33 am to CocomoLSU
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And I agree, the acting was good though. And like you said, I did like it. Kind of a lot too. But overall, I just think it's "a good show," and not much more than that. It's certainly nowhere near the top list of anything, not even HBO shows.
It is almost universally viewed as a top10 drama of all time. It is a fantastic showPosted on 4/16/25 at 7:47 am to hiltacular
Patti is a hideous creature. Damn them for giving her ugly mug so much screen time!
Meg sure moved up the ranks quickly. Now she's in charge.
Meg sure moved up the ranks quickly. Now she's in charge.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 8:01 am to dallastiger55
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I wish I could give two downvotes. Couldn’t disagree more
International Assassins was voted one of the best episodes of TV this century. Brilliant writing and acting
I agree with him. It took me out of the series to a certain degree. I thoroughly enjoyed the series, but those two episodes were so over the top, it just seemed out of place.
Spoiers:
Just finished the series as well 2 weeks ago. I agree that season 2 was probably the best. And I know that we were told up front that we wouldn't find a reason for the departing. But it wouldn't be a LOST writer without a frickton of red herrings:
Holy Wayne's babies that are "the key"
The reason the manholes blew up on the day of the departing
The significance of the women riding by to pick up Kevin on the day of the departing
The chick mumbling about "spiders underwater" which tied into that issue of National Geographic- again, all lead to a big fat nothing.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 8:30 am to MorbidTheClown
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Patti is a hideous creature. Damn them for giving her ugly mug so much screen time!
You should see that lady on the Handmaids Tale. She needs a serious PR makeover
Posted on 4/16/25 at 2:38 pm to dallastiger55
This show really is all over the place.
So, meg and the smokers fake a bomb to start a stampede?
Kevin dies and comes back 3 times?
the stampeders trash the town
then a drone vaporizes the smokers?
So, meg and the smokers fake a bomb to start a stampede?
Kevin dies and comes back 3 times?
the stampeders trash the town
then a drone vaporizes the smokers?
This post was edited on 4/16/25 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 4/16/25 at 4:08 pm to MorbidTheClown
I wanted to like the series but simply didn't. It was weird and sort of a mess at times.
JMO
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