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re: Star Wars: TROS - Non spoiler reviews and box office watch - Passes 500 mil, domestically

Posted on 12/19/19 at 10:37 am to
Posted by Philzilla2k
Member since Oct 2017
12756 posts
Posted on 12/19/19 at 10:37 am to
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Yet, his reviews were very positive for both TFA and TLJ.

Don't know anything about that. His opinions have changed I guess. He hates TLJ today.
Anyway, most everyone's opinion of TFA has changed
Posted by FairhopeTider
Fairhope, Alabama
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 12/19/19 at 10:41 am to
There’s a line about movies that says something like “If the most compelling part of the movie happened off screen, then maybe the movie should’ve been about that.”

That’s how I felt about the The Force Awakens. All of the stuff that happened in the galaxy after the Empire was defeated which led to the First Order plus Luke’s Jedi academy is so much more compelling to me than the story we got in TFA.
Posted by RLDSC FAN
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Member since Nov 2008
60100 posts
Posted on 12/19/19 at 10:42 am to
Should we turn this into the official spoiler thread now?
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
71163 posts
Posted on 12/19/19 at 10:46 am to
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That’s how I felt about the The Force Awakens. All of the stuff that happened in the galaxy after the Empire was defeated which led to the First Order plus Luke’s Jedi academy is so much more compelling to me than the story we got in TFA.


And that's the problem JJ Abrams faced from the outset. He was told by Kathleen Kennedy to make a film with brand new and diverse characters in the central role. Every time he wrote a draft, however, Luke and the others emerged front and center. So the only way to do what Kennedy wanted him to do was to write what we saw in TFA.
Posted by Walking the Earth
Member since Feb 2013
17458 posts
Posted on 12/19/19 at 10:59 am to
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Every time he wrote a draft, however, Luke and the others emerged front and center. So the only way to do what Kennedy wanted him to do was to write what we saw in TFA.


Smart solution would have been to lean in to it and introduce the new characters but have the old ones front and center in episode VII and then gradually have the new crew take over organically over the course of the trilogy.

Everybody would have been cool with Luke, Han and anybody else dying and would have been totally fine with Rey becoming the super duper bestest Jedi ever but they wanted the old characters to have an honorable farewell and not be crapped upon in service of artificially building up your new cast.

And to have at least one scene of Luke Skywalker really kicking arse. How hard was that one to figure out?
This post was edited on 12/19/19 at 11:00 am
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
77270 posts
Posted on 12/19/19 at 11:06 am to
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There’s a line about movies that says something like “If the most compelling part of the movie happened off screen, then maybe the movie should’ve been about that.”
There is also an issue that this new trilogy has where the only way to fully understand everything is to read the books, which is a poor way to go about it.

That is one of the reasons why Holdo was such a stupid character.

They played her off as some great leader, but the only reason anyone would know that is if you read the books.

Based just on the movie, Holdo had an IQ of 50.
Posted by RLDSC FAN
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Member since Nov 2008
60100 posts
Posted on 12/19/19 at 3:32 pm to
Tracking numbers are going down

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What to Expect from Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker‘s Domestic Run as It Now Tracks for $160-190M Launch

Yes, Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker — the end of the core, nine-episode saga that has driven the franchise for over 42 years — is arriving in theaters around the world. The industry is expecting a global debut of at least $350 million.


LINK
This post was edited on 12/19/19 at 3:33 pm
Posted by Bonkers119
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 12/19/19 at 9:26 pm to
Bump for non spoiler posts.
Posted by TheeRealCarolina
Member since Aug 2018
17925 posts
Posted on 12/19/19 at 9:39 pm to
It’s better than the TPM/AOTC/TLJ tier but slightly behind Revenge and TFA.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
60938 posts
Posted on 12/19/19 at 9:42 pm to
Why do box office nerds constantly use revenue as a metric of success when there has been clear inflation and rising ticket prices?

Why is it so difficult to just say "number of tickets sold" and be done with it?
Posted by Cs
Member since Aug 2008
10681 posts
Posted on 12/19/19 at 9:47 pm to
Worse than Revenge of the Sith.

It's in TPM/AOtC territory.
Posted by TheeRealCarolina
Member since Aug 2018
17925 posts
Posted on 12/19/19 at 9:54 pm to
Because it’s disingenuous to compare the entertainment environment that this is released in compared to say Titanic and then E.T. and finally Gone with the Wind.

Also, do you really understand economics? Disney doesn’t care if it sells 100 million tickets at $5 or 50 million tickets at $10. $500 million is $500 million. Theater owners may care about secondary revenue but that’s not the studio’s issue.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
60938 posts
Posted on 12/19/19 at 9:59 pm to
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do you really understand economics?


Yes. That's why I'm asking the question retard.

Inflation, changing prices due to ECONOMIC changes convolutes movie success comparisons across several years (even when adjusting for inflation because there is always a lag between inflation and increased ticket prices)

So when comparing the audience success of Revenge of the Sith in 2005 to RoS in 2019 - why can't they just say RoTs sold 4 million tickets opening weekend and RoS sold 3.5 million?
Posted by TheeRealCarolina
Member since Aug 2018
17925 posts
Posted on 12/19/19 at 10:03 pm to
Because they are tracking revenue not tickets sold. You do understand that all box office revenue comes from tickets sold but not all tickets issued go into box office revenue right?

When you put that easy two and two together, let me know.
Posted by RealityTiger
Geismar, LA
Member since Jan 2010
20543 posts
Posted on 12/19/19 at 10:57 pm to
He knows what you're talking about dumbass. You're not getting what he's saying. If you did, you wouldn't keep repeating yourself as though you have this brilliant angle that nobody else could think about.

Posted by TheeRealCarolina
Member since Aug 2018
17925 posts
Posted on 12/19/19 at 11:08 pm to
I get what he’s saying but what he is saying is irrelevant. Money is money. Do you think Bob Iger cares if he sells 80 million tickets at $10 apiece or 75 million at $12.

Besides, tickets sold/issued and then revenue are just some of the metrics to measure the success of a film. Audience enjoyment, cultural impact, and cinematic advancement are others.

He made a dumb point (that’s been made on here before and broken down as well) and I checked him on it. Why are you even involved in this anyways?
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38462 posts
Posted on 12/19/19 at 11:15 pm to
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Money is money.


Yeah. However 1980s money =/= 2019 money.
Which is why it is dumb to compare revenue totals instead of the number of tickets sold when talking about movies from different times.
This post was edited on 12/19/19 at 11:16 pm
Posted by RealityTiger
Geismar, LA
Member since Jan 2010
20543 posts
Posted on 12/19/19 at 11:24 pm to
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Why are you even involved in this anyways?




Because it's a public forum. And you're just not getting his point. And you still don't.

Go ahead and repeat yourself for the third time though.
Posted by RealityTiger
Geismar, LA
Member since Jan 2010
20543 posts
Posted on 12/19/19 at 11:29 pm to
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However 1980s money =/= 2019 money.
Which is why it is dumb to compare revenue totals instead of the number of tickets sold when talking about movies from different times.
^^^^^BINGO^^^^^

Posted by TheeRealCarolina
Member since Aug 2018
17925 posts
Posted on 12/19/19 at 11:32 pm to
Well yeah no shite the value of money has changed. The way we consume film and television has vastly changed as well. You can’t acknowledge one change and not the others.
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