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re: Star Wars: TFA -Official Discussion Thread - Spoilers
Posted on 12/19/15 at 8:38 pm to The_Joker
Posted on 12/19/15 at 8:38 pm to The_Joker
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Yeah that's why no soldiers ever defect from North Korea.
defecting because you're starving and know that there is a life 1000x better on the other side of a river is not comparable to finn's decision
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Posted on 12/19/15 at 8:39 pm to Othello
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FN was fricking awesome. He saw the brutality of war and genocide and wanted nothing to do with it. He said that was his first battle at the beginning.
He came off as a pussy who couldn't hack it. They should have used an experience storm trooper who had seen enough of it and refused to be a part of it any longer and left.
Posted on 12/19/15 at 8:39 pm to craigbiggio
Where the hell was Wedge Antilles? Wasn't he pretty much the only "non main character" to survive all three movies?
Posted on 12/19/15 at 8:39 pm to ell_13
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They completely changed the CGI because she wasn't working as a "real" looking character.
And instead came out looking like a CGI abomination from the prequels.
She was intriguing as a character, and the voice acting was decent, but the low quality CGI was something I would have expected from some random budget film, not a Disney funded Star Wars epic.
Snoke suffered from the same problem. It was baffling.
Posted on 12/19/15 at 8:39 pm to craigbiggio
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But I definitely think they banked to hard on the nostalgia factor and didn't put enough effort into a better story.
you see i'm judging this as a movie on its own
i think a lot of people are applying a sliding scale to this movie b/c they have so much invested in wanting it to be good and seeing stuff again
Posted on 12/19/15 at 8:40 pm to LuckySo-n-So
They asked the actor back but he said no because he thought the role would bore him.
Posted on 12/19/15 at 8:41 pm to OMLandshark
saying qui gon was an idiot isn't the same as saying he's terrible. finn was terrible and only took away from every scene he was in
and qui gon had the honor to die. finn didn't
and qui gon had the honor to die. finn didn't
Posted on 12/19/15 at 8:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
Yes there is. People are saying she could have been a young padawan when Kylo killed them all and she escaped. So she has been taught at some point.
It makes sense if there is still someone to fight. Resisting the First Order. People have complained about understanding the 3 groups but you're the first to get this upset about it.
They did just as much in Ep 7 as they did Ep 4. No problem there.
Ep 4 wasn't slow actually. It moved at almost the exact same pace. Ep 7 had those moments too. With Snoke and Ren's interrogations.
It makes sense if there is still someone to fight. Resisting the First Order. People have complained about understanding the 3 groups but you're the first to get this upset about it.
They did just as much in Ep 7 as they did Ep 4. No problem there.
Ep 4 wasn't slow actually. It moved at almost the exact same pace. Ep 7 had those moments too. With Snoke and Ren's interrogations.
Posted on 12/19/15 at 8:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
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saying qui gon was an idiot isn't the same as saying he's terrible.
It's not that, it's what the movie is telling us about the character that is the problem, when his actions and how others act around him speak otherwise. Finn just wasn't down for butchering innocents and wanted to leave. It's simple. Lucas is telling us this is a wise sage who knows what is best, when everything he does is entirely self destructive as well as for everyone else. He's just terrible in every sense of the word.
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Posted on 12/19/15 at 8:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
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there honestly is none. it took luke 2.5 films to get to that level, after being originally guided by a master and trained by THE master
I agree with you on the point you're making here - Rey's magical power up was utterly ridiculous.
However, I think Episode VIII can rectify this - if it's revealed that Rey had been training under Luke since she was old enough to hold a conversation, and was then abandoned on Jakku years later, then her sudden control of the Force wouldn't be that much of a stretch.
If she started training when she was 4 years old, and was abandoned when she was 7...that's 3 years of training (under, presumably, Luke). Luke had, what, a few months of training under Yoda? Maybe a year max after ESB?
Posted on 12/19/15 at 8:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i think a lot of people are applying a sliding scale to this movie b/c they have so much invested in wanting it to be good and seeing stuff again
I am unashamedly guilty of this because I am a huge Star Wars fan. I enjoyed the hell out of it and will likely see it again in theaters. Awesome action scenes and like I said I gladly lapped up the cheese and nostalgia. Just wish the story had been better.
Posted on 12/19/15 at 8:45 pm to Cs
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If she started training when she was 4 years old, and was abandoned when she was 7...that's 3 years of training (under, presumably, Luke).
I think that it's canon she was abandoned at 5.
Posted on 12/19/15 at 8:46 pm to Cs
It was a weird sequence and wasn't pulled off great I agree. You had people in suits along with CGI. But let's not compare to to he sequels. That CGI was so bad. Maz worked okay. Again, not great. And this was apparently mich better than it would have been.
This post was edited on 12/19/15 at 8:47 pm
Posted on 12/19/15 at 8:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the movie was just absolutely jumbled. there wasn't much of a plot.
What.
You seem very hard to please. This movie did everything the fans wanted.
Nostalgia.
Old characters.
Transition to new characters and saga.
Clearly was like a new hope to set up a new saga with new folks.
I don't see why that is a big deal. Clearly, there is a plot.
Posted on 12/19/15 at 8:47 pm to craigbiggio
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But I definitely think they banked to hard on the nostalgia factor and didn't put enough effort into a better story.
I can kind of agree with this. I think the problem was they have so much to try to fit in addition to creating the new arc.
This is a unique situation in which you have so many iconic characters, places, objects, vehicles to work in if you choose to go the half nostalgia/half new route.
The problem wasn't the things/people themselves, it was the heavy emphasis with dialogue and camera work being placed on every OT item/person.
It's an extremely tough task, and I can definitely see why JJ was only in for one. Has to take a huge toll mentally.
Posted on 12/19/15 at 8:47 pm to OMLandshark
I hope Rey goes to the dark side. Gonna be a pretty boring trilogy if not.
Posted on 12/19/15 at 8:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i think a lot of people are applying a sliding scale to this movie b/c they have so much invested in wanting it to be good and seeing stuff again
Personally, that was how I went into Episode I. It is why it took me a while to realize how awful it was. I went into this movie very suspect because of the prequels. I loved this movie from start to finish and it never felt like I was convincing myself to like it at all.
Posted on 12/19/15 at 8:48 pm to Cs
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Snoke suffered from the same problem. I
You mean Gollum?
I wish we had got more backstory on him.
Posted on 12/19/15 at 8:48 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:When I was in the military there were guys who joined a voluntary service and had no business being there.
He came off as a pussy who couldn't hack it. They should have used an experience storm trooper who had seen enough of it and refused to be a part of it any longer and left.
To think because he was trained from a young age to be a stormtrooper, yet has huge moral concerns about what he's ordered to do, isn't some far off thought. It's completely legit.
You throw him into battle and order him to slaughter a village full of civilians, he isn't a pussy for not wanting to be a part of it.
Posted on 12/19/15 at 8:49 pm to HailToTheChiz
I enjoyed the hell out of it. I've found little things here and there that I could not pick. And I have!
But some seem to be looking for the next Casablanca. that's not what this was meant to be. I think Disney and JJ had a specific goal with this film and they definitely accomplished that. It wasn't going to make everyone happy. But it did what it was supposed to do: get this thing back on the right track. Rain can handle it from here on out.
But some seem to be looking for the next Casablanca.
that's not what this was meant to be. I think Disney and JJ had a specific goal with this film and they definitely accomplished that. It wasn't going to make everyone happy. But it did what it was supposed to do: get this thing back on the right track. Rain can handle it from here on out. 
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