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re: Star Wars Episode 8: The Last Jedi Discussion Thread ***SPOILERS***
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:26 pm to WicKed WayZ
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:26 pm to WicKed WayZ
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And Hell, I like that they killed Snoke.
Yeah, I was a fan of that twist as well given what it can do to Kylo’s character.... but you needed like 30 minutes of him and Snoke on screen together to truly make that work. Have Snoke train and torture Kylo throughout the movie where you cheer when he betrays and kills him, thinking he’s turning towards the light... all just to disappoint you. That’s when that works, not when they just spend 3 minutes on screen together.
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Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:28 pm to OMLandshark
It seems to me that all the training snoke wanted to do was to make fun of the kid and then make him kill this girl.
Like was that it, were you ever going to get off that fricking chair?
I think it could have really furthered Kylos character had he killed Hux right then and there, certainly kylo has to see that this guy is going to be a liability down the road.
Like was that it, were you ever going to get off that fricking chair?
I think it could have really furthered Kylos character had he killed Hux right then and there, certainly kylo has to see that this guy is going to be a liability down the road.
This post was edited on 12/15/17 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:28 pm to lsuguy84
I'm not.
Old school, 45 year old OT originalist.
Old school, 45 year old OT originalist.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:35 pm to OMLandshark
Jesus I wanted to like the movie. I really really did.
But it was just meh across the board. No major lightsaber battle between ANYONE. Luke stayed on the planet and then just fricking dies after using the force once and that's it?
Even Yoda showed up and I was like Hell Yeah but he looked really fricking weird and wtf was with his like roll/laugh thing? The humor was off the whole movie. They didn't even show Luke freezing all the laser blasts and then sending them back to the ATM6s? Just a big cloud of red shite? That's just lazy.
But it was just meh across the board. No major lightsaber battle between ANYONE. Luke stayed on the planet and then just fricking dies after using the force once and that's it?
Even Yoda showed up and I was like Hell Yeah but he looked really fricking weird and wtf was with his like roll/laugh thing? The humor was off the whole movie. They didn't even show Luke freezing all the laser blasts and then sending them back to the ATM6s? Just a big cloud of red shite? That's just lazy.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:36 pm to Scoop
It’s a ballsy move to tell everyone frick Harry Potter. When you shove your dick up the Skywalkers’ arse, you better bring the heat
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:39 pm to Scoop
My general, and initial, thoughts on this film are that it was centered around the idea of failure being the best teacher. Yoda mentions this, and that was a bit of a thesis statement for the entire film. We see Luke as a failure, and how he continues to fail. We see Kylo, Rey, Poe, Finn, and Rose all fail, in their own way (Snoke, too, but I'll keep him separate, for obvious reasons). Episode 9 should be about taking these lessons and learning from them.
Poe should learn when to act, and when not to, and come into his own as the leader of the Resistance. Kylo should learn that he has to be more calculated in order to succeed. Rey should learn to let go of the past, and her naivete, and forge a new path for the Jedi. Finn and Rose should have learned the same lesson as Poe, and should find themselves spreading the idea of the resistance across the galaxy, along with being a moral center of the movement.
(I say "should," but that's merely hypothesizing, of course. What matters most are the lessons learned.)
Of course, the amount of time between The Last Jedi and Episode 9 could significantly affect how far along these characters are in their growth.
Back to The Last Jedi, though, I'll say that the film had plenty of moments that could have been executed far better. Leia's resurrection is an obvious one, but I felt the entire island story line could have been told better. I don't so much have a problem with how Luke turned out, just in how they tried to sell it to me; for that kind of character shift, I felt like I needed more than what was shown. The casino planet story line was almost certainly better in concept, than in its execution. And I could go on, but it's not necessary to add to the echoes anymore.
In totality, much like the prequels, this film's primary issue was execution. I'm not entirely sure how I feel about it. I can say that I was disappointed when I left the theater last night, but I feel like there's something intriguing going on here. The Last Jedi kept me engaged; I was never "bored," but I was a bit thrown off, at times - and not always in a good way.
Poe should learn when to act, and when not to, and come into his own as the leader of the Resistance. Kylo should learn that he has to be more calculated in order to succeed. Rey should learn to let go of the past, and her naivete, and forge a new path for the Jedi. Finn and Rose should have learned the same lesson as Poe, and should find themselves spreading the idea of the resistance across the galaxy, along with being a moral center of the movement.
(I say "should," but that's merely hypothesizing, of course. What matters most are the lessons learned.)
Of course, the amount of time between The Last Jedi and Episode 9 could significantly affect how far along these characters are in their growth.
Back to The Last Jedi, though, I'll say that the film had plenty of moments that could have been executed far better. Leia's resurrection is an obvious one, but I felt the entire island story line could have been told better. I don't so much have a problem with how Luke turned out, just in how they tried to sell it to me; for that kind of character shift, I felt like I needed more than what was shown. The casino planet story line was almost certainly better in concept, than in its execution. And I could go on, but it's not necessary to add to the echoes anymore.
In totality, much like the prequels, this film's primary issue was execution. I'm not entirely sure how I feel about it. I can say that I was disappointed when I left the theater last night, but I feel like there's something intriguing going on here. The Last Jedi kept me engaged; I was never "bored," but I was a bit thrown off, at times - and not always in a good way.
This post was edited on 12/15/17 at 10:59 pm
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:45 pm to WicKed WayZ
Snokes origin or how he came to power never explained, Luke dying on an island alone when if he was gonna die anyway there was a great potential lightsaber battle to kill him off with. Reys parents lmfao really i mean really? She has all these visions that connect her to Luke Kylo and the history of the skywalkers for no reason at all. It’s just sloppy storytelling.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:46 pm to LSUTigerfaninHtown
Can we talk about Leia Zipping through space like God Damn Superman with her arm stretched out? Epic music playing the whole time? lol seriously?
I can't believe I'm agreeing with Fox and Lacour. I fricking hate them. But they're right.
I can't believe I'm agreeing with Fox and Lacour. I fricking hate them. But they're right.
This post was edited on 12/15/17 at 10:47 pm
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:48 pm to WicKed WayZ
I know they have been ripping from Avatar (who they originally ripped in return), but just go full Crossroads of Destiny. It was my prediction that I was fully looking forward to. That would have been an amazing end and journey of parallel learning. What a miss r opportunity. frick, they ended in a mine where they could have gone at it to the max.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:49 pm to WicKed WayZ
That’s the single worst scene in Star Wars history. She could’ve used the force to shield herself or they didn’t have to show how she got back on board, my god that was cringeworthy.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:50 pm to Salamander_Wilson
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TFA is so much better than TLJ it's not even really a comparison for me.
Truth
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:52 pm to LSUTigerfaninHtown
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Snoke will return as a force ghost, much like Luke, I'm willing to bet.
Have we ever seen an evil force ghost? It seems like becoming one with the light side of the force is a pre-requisite for force ghost riding the whip. On the other hand, it could be possible for some evil ancient sith lord to basically take on a new body.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:52 pm to LSUTigerfaninHtown
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My general, and initial thoughts, on this film are that it was centered around the idea of failure being the best teacher.
I keep on bringing up Avatar having one of the best finales ever with the Crossroads of Destiny, and yeah they’re all failures of in it, and the perfectionist later lands on the lowest point in the series. It’s where this movie should have ended on but didn’t.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:53 pm to dallastiger55
The Force Awakens filled me with life; I don't think I've ever felt better, walking out of a theater. The Last Jedi filled me with conflict about its execution. I hope that, upon repeated viewings, I'll feel better about it.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:55 pm to LSUTigerfaninHtown
You won’t.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:56 pm to ell_13
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You won’t.
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
I'm sorry.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:59 pm to LSUTigerfaninHtown
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:01 pm to Tactical1
I am one of the biggest Star Wars homers around and I can not defend this movie in any way. It is just flat out bad.
The problem is horribly written characters with really shitty story lines. Let's talk about a few characters and what is wrong.
1. Luke- He is the hardest character to mess up and they managed to do it. When we left him last he was a total badass and has had over 35 years to expand on that. So they decide to have him act like a whiny bitch for 90% of the movie. His little trick at the end was cool, but if that's all we get from Luke after all these years that's extremely disappointing.
What's also disappointing is the fact that he found old Jedi temples and text and the writers chose not to delve into any mystery or lore of the force. That is the best stuff in Star Wars. Total missed opportunities all the way around with his character.
2. Snoke- WTF, the most interesting thing about him is how he came to be, or who he is. After the original trilogy Luke was the only force user left. Now we have a super badass Sith and are given zero explanation how he got that way, and then just kill him off in a way that makes him seem completely unimportant to the overall picture.
3. Finn- frick! I have hated every moment this guy has been on screen since TFA. I don't even need to go into any further analysis on this dipshit.
4. Leia- Less is more. We loved looking at her back in the day, but she is horrible now. Way too much screen time for her. She sounds like she smokes a pack of Marlboro Reds in between each take.
5. Poe- His best moment was in the first 5 minutes of the film. He spent the rest of the film fricking up and sending other unlikable characters on a task that was later revealed to be completely unnecessary. Let's not forget that he also went full traitor, and everyone's response was "this guy is fricking awesome".
6. Benicio del Toro's character- Let me ask you this, if you are a writer and you found out that you landed BDT, do you make him a hacker with a stutter that sells out two shitty characters on an irrelevant story line. Hell no you don't! You make his arse some kind of fricking bounty hunter that would scare the shite out of Boba Fett.
I could go on and on, but I don't own a cat that I can kick, and I'm just getting more pissed off. Might go into more detail later, but this whole thing is a cluster frick.
If they frick up Han Solo's movie you guys will probably see me in the news, but at this point I am expecting him to be a really swell guy that ends up pussy whipped at the site of a woman.
The problem is horribly written characters with really shitty story lines. Let's talk about a few characters and what is wrong.
1. Luke- He is the hardest character to mess up and they managed to do it. When we left him last he was a total badass and has had over 35 years to expand on that. So they decide to have him act like a whiny bitch for 90% of the movie. His little trick at the end was cool, but if that's all we get from Luke after all these years that's extremely disappointing.
What's also disappointing is the fact that he found old Jedi temples and text and the writers chose not to delve into any mystery or lore of the force. That is the best stuff in Star Wars. Total missed opportunities all the way around with his character.
2. Snoke- WTF, the most interesting thing about him is how he came to be, or who he is. After the original trilogy Luke was the only force user left. Now we have a super badass Sith and are given zero explanation how he got that way, and then just kill him off in a way that makes him seem completely unimportant to the overall picture.
3. Finn- frick! I have hated every moment this guy has been on screen since TFA. I don't even need to go into any further analysis on this dipshit.
4. Leia- Less is more. We loved looking at her back in the day, but she is horrible now. Way too much screen time for her. She sounds like she smokes a pack of Marlboro Reds in between each take.
5. Poe- His best moment was in the first 5 minutes of the film. He spent the rest of the film fricking up and sending other unlikable characters on a task that was later revealed to be completely unnecessary. Let's not forget that he also went full traitor, and everyone's response was "this guy is fricking awesome".
6. Benicio del Toro's character- Let me ask you this, if you are a writer and you found out that you landed BDT, do you make him a hacker with a stutter that sells out two shitty characters on an irrelevant story line. Hell no you don't! You make his arse some kind of fricking bounty hunter that would scare the shite out of Boba Fett.
I could go on and on, but I don't own a cat that I can kick, and I'm just getting more pissed off. Might go into more detail later, but this whole thing is a cluster frick.
If they frick up Han Solo's movie you guys will probably see me in the news, but at this point I am expecting him to be a really swell guy that ends up pussy whipped at the site of a woman.
This post was edited on 12/15/17 at 11:06 pm
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:03 pm to LSUTigerfaninHtown
I was pumped after Force Awakens.
After this I'm just defeated. I don't even care to see the third act and I can't believe I'm saying that. I love Star Wars man but Jesus. That was bad.
After this I'm just defeated. I don't even care to see the third act and I can't believe I'm saying that. I love Star Wars man but Jesus. That was bad.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:04 pm to WicKed WayZ
I realize Star Wars has always been sketchy on physics, but this movie was laughably bad. Why were the ships that ran out of fuel somehow dropping. They were not orbiting a planet, obviously it would've kept going in the same direction.
Why was the resistance using bombers? Why didn't they just set a few ships to auto pilot, aim them at the first order ships, and have them lightspeed cannon right at them?
Why was the resistance using bombers? Why didn't they just set a few ships to auto pilot, aim them at the first order ships, and have them lightspeed cannon right at them?
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