re: Star Wars Episode 8: The Last Jedi Discussion Thread ***SPOILERS***

Okay, not that anyone cares what I say here but...

I really think you had to really look for all the SJW stuff. I didn’t even see it until after I had watched the movie and came here to see what everyone was bitching about.

I thought the movie was just kind of dull and too long. I really liked seeing Luke again.

Who the frick was Snoke?

So the originals were completely pointless. Because the rebellion is worse off now than it has ever been.

Still a dumbass decision (I pointed it out at the time) to create the First Order instead of it being a continuation of the Empire.

Didn’t see it as an SJW crapfest that ruined my childhood, but it was nothing spectacular.

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First Order instead of it being a continuation of the Empire.

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What’s even funnier about calling them the first order is that they were...second

I don't know anything about Star Wars Rebels.

I'm guessing since an old Obi-Wan is fighting Darth Maul, they pretend the prequels didn't happen?

Also, that was a shitty lightsaber duel.

this Vox review is hilarious

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What’s interesting about the critiques of The Last Jedi is how often, when you talk about them, many of the above criticisms fall away, and you’re left with a distinct philosophical difference between people who love the film’s insistence that the future can be better if we make it and those who don’t like the way it forces us to grapple with the sins of the past, with the way it argues the Rebellion might have won at the end of Return of the Jedi, but it largely upheld the status quo.

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for an article filled with hypocrisy and illogical points, this one takes the cake

the Rebels in the OT literally destroy a fascist empire. only a true believer could spin that into a description of "sins of the past"

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And if you think about that exchange for just a little longer, you’ll realize something key: What works about The Last Jedi for some of us is also what doesn’t work about it for others. And that’s intimately tied to what this film and what this trilogy as a whole are.

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what's hilarious is this is written after downplaying the social justice issues earlier in the article

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It is a movie about knowing what’s right and doing that, even though everything else in the universe is stacked against you. It is a movie about why you might start a rebellion against a fascistic order, rather than simply going along with the status quo. Part of the movie is about how the worst people in the universe aren’t even the First Order, but the rich profiteers who are happy to go along with whoever’s in power, so long as they keep making a few bucks.

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again....this is long after downplaying the social justice angle

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The theme of The Last Jedi, then, is about being tested, about having everything you value thrown into question and figuring out for yourself the right thing to do. You can’t make the world perfectly safe for your metaphorical children. You will fail them, and they will fail you.

But sometimes they fall into simpering self-pity (as Kylo Ren does), and sometimes they rise above what even you expected of them (as Rey does)

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does anyone else find this ironic?

also the author's main point is exactly what we're arguing: this move was made to shite on the OT and TFA

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But having that big of a tent (and Star Wars just might be our last big-tent American pop culture thing) means you inevitably have to rub elbows with people who’ve entered the tent thinking something very different from what you think. If Star Wars is going to continue being a major force in pop culture, then it needs to keep adapting.

But if it’s going to keep pleasing those who love it most, then it needs to stay preserved in amber (or, if you will, frozen in carbonite), leaving Luke Skywalker as the best boy who ever lived and continuing to tell endless variations on the story of a young kid from a nowhere planet who learns he’s part of the biggest saga of them all. But that kind of fetishization of what’s come before is the quickest way to kill off a pop culture artifact.

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what's funny is the author, for reasons i cannot fathom, writes all of that bullshite and still praises Rey

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and sometimes they rise above what even you expected of them (as Rey does)

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But if it’s going to keep pleasing those who love it most, then it needs to stay preserved in amber (or, if you will, frozen in carbonite), leaving Luke Skywalker as the best boy who ever lived and continuing to tell endless variations on the story of a young kid from a nowhere planet who learns he’s part of the biggest saga of them all. But that kind of fetishization of what’s come before is the quickest way to kill off a pop culture artifact.

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and sometimes they rise above what even you expected of them (as Rey does)

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But that kind of fetishization of what’s come before is the quickest way to kill off a pop culture artifact.

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as Rey does

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I just saw it and I honestly thought I was watching Spaceballs at the beginning with Poe’s communications call to the general. The comedy was over the top and forced.

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Yeah, I couldn’t believe what I was seeing. My train of thought and then denial because I wanted to love the movie.

“Wait, did they really make a “Yo Mamma” joke to start off a Star Wars Film? This is some Jar Jar shite... wait OML it has a 95% on RT, it just has to be uphill from here when we get to Rey.”

Then Rey and Luke’s first scene:

“Oh thank god, now we’re at Rey. I can’t wait to see how epic their encounter is going to be, wait he throws it over his fricking shoulder? What are these 5 or 6 assholes in the theater laughing at this? TFA clearly wasn’t building to this.... well let me just give it a chance and see where they take this.”

Then Leia is blown out:

“What the frick? They just kill Ackbar like that? Well at least Leia is getting a poignant death. This touching and I’m guessing they removed the rest of her scenes through edi- oh so now she’s waking up and flying through space like Mary fricking Poppins?! And Carrie Fisher actually filmed this shite?! Why didn’t they just capitalize on that death?! She better do something badass later in the film to make up for and explain this, they have to, right? Wait you can’t cover the TIE Fighters and are telling them to back off?! The Evil Empire is showing concern for their troops as people?! What the frick is this?!”

At this point I started turning to rage:

“Wait, this purple haired bitch is now leading the Resistance? Wait did she really just mansplain to Poe why he needs to shut up and listen to the ladies because he’s a man?! Really?! There’s no way in hell they are highjacking Star Wars in this way. I can not believe what I am seeing.”

And then when I completely gave up on anything but Kylo Ren and Rey and died inside:

“Wait, this is the worst planet in the Galaxy... Monaco... frick you Rian Johnson. I’m just going to block out everything not Rey and Kylo Ren related.”

go read that Vox review

destroying the OT and TFA is good because it paves the way for "the new generation" to take over

They can have the next generation without destroying the OT. Just set it a century after ROTJ. But they wanted the guaranteed record setting box office that the OT fans bring.

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But having that big of a tent (and Star Wars just might be our last big-tent American pop culture thing) means you inevitably have to rub elbows with people who’ve entered the tent thinking something very different from what you think. If Star Wars is going to continue being a major force in pop culture, then it needs to keep adapting.

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What is this bitch even trying to say? Star Wars is so big it doesn't need new movies to stay relevant. Like she said herself Star Wars is the biggest American pop culture thing ever.