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re: Star Wars Episode 8: The Last Jedi Discussion Thread ***SPOILERS***
Posted on 12/29/17 at 8:36 pm to Hester Carries
Posted on 12/29/17 at 8:36 pm to Hester Carries
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i think the main criticism is he didnt flesh out the problem with all of the women. And it wasnt that they were in the film or the number of them it was their roles in the film
I got Rose fleshed out plenty for my taste, no pun intended. Really it’s a Maoist bitch and a gender studies professor that doom everyone. The movie tells us that these women are justifiably right when they are clearly in the wrong. I would want them both removed or at best have Laura Dern as a mole for the First Order.
And all this comes at the expense of Rey, the female we’re interested in. Seriously, who is the protagonist of this movie? She has no active part in the finale. Finn and Poe’s story was a waste of time. It’s all pointless in the end, which is a theme of this movie.
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Kylo- hes the main baddie...im ok with him being depicted poorly as thats crucial to the story
Why? He’s just a pussy. At least have him beat Rey outright in a duel. Instead he’s just left with his dick in his hands at the end for all the audience to see. Kylo’s character growth can work as the movie presented it and for him to still be an intimidating presence.
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Poe Dameron - i think they intended for him to be this trilogy's Han Solo...but damn they turned him to a Space Cowboy who only thinks with his dick and likes to fight yeehaw. They basically chastised him the whole movie and out right pointed out that it was the wise female leaders who saw the big picture while he was a simple hard headed boy...but pat pat pat they like his spunk.
And this is all sexist garbage. Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy should issue an apology to the fans, JJ Abrams, Lawrence Kasden, and George Lucas for such shite.
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Posted on 12/29/17 at 8:38 pm to Hester Carries
To elaborate, the problem that I had was that it was so obvious that they were trying push an agenda that it became distracting.
I joked to my wife that all of the men in the rebellion must have been killed or deserted. Poe's character was essentially sacrificed so we could have a lesson about how men suck at dealing with women in supervisory roles. Don't bother with the fact that women have been running the rebellion since the beginning.
The same applies to the whole weapon dealers casino sidetrack. It had no purpose other than to let us know that the rich weapon dealers were evil...and big reveal....they sell weapons to both sides! Oh...and let us not forget that the death of the rebellion was totally worth it to save those horse dogs from their cruel masters.
Star Wars always had an undercurrent of the haves vs have nots but it was subtle. This was like a club to the head and not something I want to see in a Star Wars movie.
I joked to my wife that all of the men in the rebellion must have been killed or deserted. Poe's character was essentially sacrificed so we could have a lesson about how men suck at dealing with women in supervisory roles. Don't bother with the fact that women have been running the rebellion since the beginning.
The same applies to the whole weapon dealers casino sidetrack. It had no purpose other than to let us know that the rich weapon dealers were evil...and big reveal....they sell weapons to both sides! Oh...and let us not forget that the death of the rebellion was totally worth it to save those horse dogs from their cruel masters.
Star Wars always had an undercurrent of the haves vs have nots but it was subtle. This was like a club to the head and not something I want to see in a Star Wars movie.
Posted on 12/29/17 at 8:40 pm to SquatchDawg
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Poe's character was essentially sacrificed so we could have a lesson about how men suck at dealing with women in supervisory roles. Don't bother with the fact that women have been running the rebellion since the beginning.
The ironic thing is women themselves actually prefer to have male supervisors. But I guess they’re sexist as well.
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Oh...and let us not forget that the death of the rebellion was totally worth it to save those horse dogs from their cruel masters.
Not to mention that creatures that valuable are going to have microchips in them. All they’re going to do is wait until dawn and then capture them again.
This post was edited on 12/29/17 at 8:42 pm
Posted on 12/30/17 at 4:52 am to OMLandshark
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Poe's character was essentially sacrificed so we could have a lesson about how men suck at dealing with women in supervisory roles.
They could've atleast made the women good at their jobs.
Captain Holdo has to be one of the most incompetent generals I've ever seen on film.
She's second in command of the entire Resistance and:
for some reason wasn't on the command deck during battle
Isn't known to anyone on the ship
Is a complete surprise to everyone that she is actually Leia second hand
Shows up to take over the resistance in a brown moomoo instead of a generals uniform
Refuses to tell anyone her plans
Immediately confronts and then court marshals the resistance's best pilot and mascot in front of everyone
Knows that she can hyper drive her ship through the First Order Fleet, but for some reason doesn't turn her ship around and do it as soon as the escape pods are jettisoned
I could keep going.
If they were going to teach Poe a lesson then could have at least made Holdo see like a half way intellegent leader. She was pathetic.
And on that note, why the frick are people still following Princess Leia? She somehow between VI and VII lost control of the resistance without building up military or support anywhere except a couple of planets and let the empire come back to full absolute power in the galaxy as the First Order. Why is anyone still following that incompetent moron?
This post was edited on 12/30/17 at 5:22 am
Posted on 12/30/17 at 4:56 am to statman34
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He was setting up his new trilogy.
frick this excuse. It's pathetic.
You don't need to actively destroy 40 years of universe building and fanbase and countless books and movies and animated shows and everything to start a new trilogy.
Just name the movie Episode X: The Force Awakens and set it 500 years after Episode VI. Problem solved.
Rian Johnson is a horrendously terrible fool. As is Disney studio.
But who do you blame? The hack director or the studio that started a trilogy with a great director and the original trilogy screen writer and then handed the second movie off to a hack with complete autonomy?
To quote Obi-Wan:
Who is a bigger fool? The fool or the fool who follows him?
This post was edited on 12/30/17 at 4:57 am
Posted on 12/30/17 at 5:02 am to OMLandshark
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Why? He’s just a pussy.
He's not.
I will defend Kylo until the end of time on here. He's been without a doubt the best part of this new trilogy. Adam Driver has done a great job. The worst injustice in a of this is the waste of Kylo.
I hope they keep Adam Driver on and make a movie or two about him training with Luke at the temple and then being turned by Snoke and then leading the Knights of Ren.
He's conflicted. He's the only character with depth.
As for being a pussy? He orders the slaughter of a village of innocent people, tortures Poe, almost kills Finn, kills his own dad, kills both of his masters in Snoke and Luke, and slaughters that room full of red guards.
The only reason he hasn't killed Rey is because he likes her. Which, again, adds depth to his character.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 5:54 am to Breesus
The entire Hoth battle sequence really shines as an example of how bad TLJ is. And how much of a parody TLJ is too. As does the rest of Empire.
Competent leadership, legit battles, consequences, well shot and edited, escape transports that make sense, characters having to work their way out of situations instead of random ex machina nonsense, training, character building, a legit love story, a legit hero story, character arcs, subtle humor, drama, tense moments, a well written story, etc....
And the entrance into cloud city is almost depressing. The Landosy and Hantch buddy comedy theyre making is going to suck. They're not the best of friends.
Han took his ship, their both smuggling gambling Rebels who work solo, and Lando sells Han to Vader. If they make the good old best of friends with no rocky past...
Competent leadership, legit battles, consequences, well shot and edited, escape transports that make sense, characters having to work their way out of situations instead of random ex machina nonsense, training, character building, a legit love story, a legit hero story, character arcs, subtle humor, drama, tense moments, a well written story, etc....
And the entrance into cloud city is almost depressing. The Landosy and Hantch buddy comedy theyre making is going to suck. They're not the best of friends.
Han took his ship, their both smuggling gambling Rebels who work solo, and Lando sells Han to Vader. If they make the good old best of friends with no rocky past...
This post was edited on 12/30/17 at 6:54 am
Posted on 12/30/17 at 7:38 am to Breesus
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He was setting up his new trilogy.
frick this excuse. It's pathetic.
I am not excusing it, mind you, just stating what I think he was doing.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 11:51 am to statman34
I don’t get all butthurt about agendas and whatnot like the majority of this thread. Some of it’s true.
The movie just plain sucked. Agenda or not. Luke was a fricking unmitigated disaster. The pacing sucked. The stakes sucked. It was just a bad movie. The only scene worth a crap was the throne room scene.
The movie just plain sucked. Agenda or not. Luke was a fricking unmitigated disaster. The pacing sucked. The stakes sucked. It was just a bad movie. The only scene worth a crap was the throne room scene.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 1:01 pm to Breesus
quote:You're nuts. The character is terrible, and the actor is partly responsible. Emo Ren cannot be defended.
He's not. I will defend Kylo until the end of time on here. He's been without a doubt the best part of this new trilogy. Adam Driver has done a great job. The worst injustice in a of this is the waste of Kylo. I hope they keep Adam Driver on and make a movie or two about him training with Luke at the temple and then being turned by Snoke and then leading the Knights of Ren
Posted on 12/30/17 at 2:17 pm to AlxTgr
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You're nuts. The character is terrible, and the actor is partly responsible. Emo Ren cannot be defended.
I like Kylo Ren as a character. I think he’s a bit of a pussy only because he’s not shown to our supposed protagonist (although I don’t think TLJ has a main character), but he’s a fine character and a refreshing change from Vader and the Emperor. He’s really just a more depraved version of Zuko.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 5:58 pm to Sentrius
Heh - OK, some thoughts. The first Star Wars movie really does not hold up well at all. The first time I saw it everyone was in awe and so was I but that was just for the special effects. I saw again later that year (1977?) and thought it was drivel but in a great package.
The Empire Strikes Back - OK, this changed everything. Great movie! I saw it 4 times in the first week. When Vader said "No, I am ..." I knew it a fraction of a second before. Wow, what a great franchise.
Return of the Jedi - not as good as Empire Strikes back but still solid.
Since then - nothing mixed with garbage.
The Last Jedi - I enjoyed it. Mostly based on very low expectations. But yeah, it was fun to see Luke again, and Chewy, and Leia. Was it mostly a waste - yeah. I'll agree with almost all the criticism here. But I don't hold Star Wars to be some sort of sacred mystical religion. It's hokey nonsense. "Trust your feelings and abandon logic" has always been the message and it's stupid.
Thor Ragnarok was a better movie. That this thread has gone over 100 pages is insane.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 8:16 pm to Tigris
Saw it and liked it. Maybe I took it for what it is, not put it on some pedestal like all these buttburt fanboys.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 9:28 pm to Jizzy08
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Maybe I took it for what it is
Virtue signaling shite where you can remove literally a fricking hour of it and still makes sense?
Posted on 12/30/17 at 9:30 pm to OMLandshark
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The movie tells us that these women are justifiably right when they are clearly in the wrong. I would want them both removed or at best have Laura Dern as a mole for the First Order.
Failure is a theme of the movie. The point was that Poe should have trusted Holdo (and the fact Leia placed her trust in her). Poe's gun-hoe temperment costed the Resistence many lives, Holdo's plan was going to work. At the end, Holdo, still saves the day.
Poe, learning from his mistake, is shown at the end, when he decides to retreat in Crait.
Boys getting their shite together to become Men (through Women) is a theme not only in this movie, but one that is shown throughout the Saga.
The Skywalkers getting their shite together by a women (Padme and Rey, but Rey was still a "girl" she had some maturing to do, and she did in this movie) is an ENDGAME of Star Wars, what the entire Saga has been about.
With all that being said, Disney/LF has been very meta about this movie. They probably wanted to smear as much stuff to piss off people like you and other "Old-School" fans. They know the old fandom won't hurt their bottom-line and the money is from new fans and kids anyways. After all, Star Wars is literally a children's movie and always has been. "Let the past die, kill it if you have to..." "This is not going to go the way you think", you think those lines weren't a jab at certain fans? BTW "The Force is Female"
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Why? He’s just a pussy. At least have him beat Rey outright in a duel. Instead he’s just left with his dick in his hands at the end for all the audience to see. Kylo’s character growth can work as the movie presented it and for him to still be an intimidating presence.
Kylo is a whining temper-tantrum emo dude at times, especially when it involves Rey. But he was shown to be quit the anti-hero in this movie, him saving Rey and killing Snoke is a very big deal. Both his and Rey's characters developed quite a bit in this movie.
Kylo is in a position where Vader only dreamed of, he has surpassed Vader.
This post was edited on 12/30/17 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 12/30/17 at 9:40 pm to PianoTiger
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Failure is a theme of the movie.
Well it is awfully executed.
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The point was that Poe should have trusted Holdo (and the fact Leia placed her trust in her).
So you should put blind trust in someone you’ve never met and is only being a condescending twat to you simply because she has tits and a pussy? This is his life he is gambling with.
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Poe's gun-hoe temperment costed the Resistence many lives, Holdo's plan was going to work. At the end, Holdo, still saves the day.
Holdo’s plan is the dumbest ever since it relies on the fact that everyone in the First Order is fricking blind. They have eyes where they can see the escape pods. It’s as dumb as anything in the prequels.
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Poe, learning from his mistake, is shown at the end, when he decides to retreat in Crait.
Great decision there, since the Maoist whore Rose dooms them due to his retreat. It’s a one in billion chance Luke and Rey show up to save them.
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Boys getting their shite together to become Men (through Women) is a theme not only in this movie, but one that is shown throughout the Saga.
The theme tends not to be that men are idiots and that they need to shut the frick up while dumb women lead them to their doom.
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The Skywalkers getting their shite together by a women (Padme and Rey, but Rey is still a "girl" she has some maturing to do as well) is an ENDGAME of Star Wars, what the entire Saga has been about.
Are you high or just stupid? Anakin loses his fricking mind due to Padme and becomes a mass murderer.
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But he was shown to be quit the anti-hero in this movie, him saving Rey and killing Snoke is a very big deal. Both his and Rey's characters developed quite a bit in this movie.
And they don’t follow through with any of it.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 9:47 pm to OMLandshark
I was going to reply to every one of your points but I really don't think you understood the movie or Star Wars in general. All of your replies are so far off and nonsensical that I give up arguing.
Don't think I can help you.
Don't think I can help you.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 9:55 pm to PianoTiger
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I really don't think you understood the movie or Star Wars in general.
The whole movie is about debunking everything Star Wars is about. If you get Star Wars, you should be outraged by it. You clearly don’t. There’s a reason everyone fricking hates this film and are rightfully comparing to the prequels.
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All of your replies are so far off and nonsensical that I give up arguing.
Don't think I can help you.
Because your points are idiotic and can’t stand up to my own. Seriously, why did no one before now think of using the hyperdrive as a weapon? Monaco is now the worst planet in the galaxy? Rey has no real part in the final act, which means we don’t have a protagonist. Seriously, refute like 4 of my 10,000 points on why this movie is a massive pile of dogshit.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 10:22 pm to OMLandshark
Like Fox, your melts over here are significantly better than on PT.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 10:29 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Like Fox, your melts over here are significantly better than on PT.
Well, there’s my opinions and then everyone else’s that are wrong.
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