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re: Star Trek Strange new Worlds Season 2
Posted on 6/21/23 at 10:21 pm to WestSideTiger
Posted on 6/21/23 at 10:21 pm to WestSideTiger
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As Star Trek: Strange New Worlds kicks off its second season, expect a bit of a changeup in its episodic structure and how Captain Christopher Pike (Anson Mount) does his captaining on the USS Enterprise. By that we mean, he’s pretty scarce in the first three episodes.
I really hope they don’t mess this up.
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 11:24 am to gizmothepug
The good news is Pike is back for ep 2. Just not in a good way.
Almost quit watching it a few times but was waiting for something redeeming.
It never came. This wasn’t Star Trek.
Almost quit watching it a few times but was waiting for something redeeming.
It never came. This wasn’t Star Trek.
Posted on 6/22/23 at 12:48 pm to WestSideTiger
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The good news is Pike is back for ep 2. Just not in a good way.
Almost quit watching it a few times but was waiting for something redeeming.
It never came. This wasn’t Star Trek.
Yeah, the second episode may have been a smidgen better than the first but just barely. It's pretty obvious they got some marching orders for this season and that's a shame
Posted on 6/22/23 at 5:01 pm to CU_Tigers4life
EP 2: The Courts martial of #1 (Una Chin-Riley)
It's easy to scream "woke" in this episode but it is a deeper dive on Humanity and the Federation's selective following of the rules dating back to TOS.
If you watched the TOS Episodes such as "Let This be Your Last Battlefield" that deals with racism and prejudice in a very in-your-face way or the "Mark of Gideon" that is a pro-life/pro-choice discussion or even TNG's Measure of a Man that discusses the rights of a new life forms I would think this episode was written in the same spirit.
Setting aside the social politics, the defense Lawyer was genius in her tactics. She set the pins up and knocked them down in an epic manner.
A little Spoiler:
Spock's "Outburst" was hilarious.
It's easy to scream "woke" in this episode but it is a deeper dive on Humanity and the Federation's selective following of the rules dating back to TOS.
If you watched the TOS Episodes such as "Let This be Your Last Battlefield" that deals with racism and prejudice in a very in-your-face way or the "Mark of Gideon" that is a pro-life/pro-choice discussion or even TNG's Measure of a Man that discusses the rights of a new life forms I would think this episode was written in the same spirit.
Setting aside the social politics, the defense Lawyer was genius in her tactics. She set the pins up and knocked them down in an epic manner.
A little Spoiler:
Spock's "Outburst" was hilarious.
This post was edited on 6/22/23 at 7:20 pm
Posted on 6/22/23 at 10:01 pm to WestSideTiger
quote:Not sure what you’re watching, but that was one of the most Star Trek of Star Trek episodes since the original series. Roddenberry would’ve jerked off to that episode. He might’ve added an action subplot to it, but then City on the Edge of Forever had little action and it’s considered the best episode ever.
This wasn’t Star Trek.
This was pure 1960’s Star Trek.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 1:10 am to CU_Tigers4life
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It's easy to scream "woke" in this episode
Yes it’s becoming more and more woke.
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but it is a deeper dive on Humanity
Not really unless NAZIs are your focus of humanity. Experimenting on humans, kids, and the unborn is not something I would put on same level as needing to be accepted like with race or sex. Old Star Trek would have found a way to show being excepting or one’s biology not manipulating it.
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I would think this episode was written in the same spirit.
It was forced and dumbed down and should not be mentioned with those other Star Trek episodes. Episode was based on a winning with technicality and one that really didn’t match the law outside of lawyer saying it did or what really happened. She knew as a child she was lying. She knew as an adult she was lying. She knew as an officer she was lying including months after telling Pike. Even if seeking asylum it was from humans not from her own people. Pike didn’t grant asylum but chose to keep her secret. It would not also change lying on application part. It was legal manipulation by lawyer & judges which isn’t really good story telling or a deeper dive into humanity.
It felt completely forced and nothing like Data’s episode. I didn’t agree with that conclusion outside of science fiction context, but I enjoyed that episode a heck of a lot more than this one. It could be in part that Data was a better character and performed by a better actor making Data more well rounded and likable than Number 1 even as an android. We also got to see Data grow over longer time frame, and we saw that Data wanted to be more human than some humans. Rebecca isn’t a good enough actress. Her character gets left behind by others (including some as acting number 1 or acting captain) and is not very interesting. She was not interesting in the episode she came out as being genetically modified and made a future episode like this one easily foreseen. Her best acting is when she morphed into other characters in X-Men films Or filled out that blue skin…
On a different story telling note - What did Pike do to change the future he saw in season 1 finale with #1 convicted for these crimes and still in jail (7 years later I think)? Was he so caught up saving himself that he didn’t go get her friend to defend her? I just can’t see that even with the future version trying to save himself from his fate and seemed forced as well, but maybe I missed a better explanation.
Edit: even with episode’s faults it was still better than Discovery.
This post was edited on 6/23/23 at 1:14 am
Posted on 6/23/23 at 6:59 am to dallastigers
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Episode was based on a winning with technicality
We're not going to see eye to eye on this one and that's okay.
I will say that Picard outplayed the Sheliak on a legal technicality and Wesley's Crusher's Red Squad at the Academy we're going to be let of the hook with a reprimand due to a technicality until his guilt compelled him to confess.
It's not like parading Stacey Abrahams out like they did in Discovery. That is about as blatant as you can get.
Because of what's going on today in the "real world" it's easy to compare this episode to what's going on now but if this episode ran in the 60's during TOS or the 80's during TNG it would have been an instant classic.
Fewer Kilometers was correct in how Roddenberry would have liked this episode.
This post was edited on 6/23/23 at 7:00 am
Posted on 6/24/23 at 9:33 am to Fewer Kilometers
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This was pure 1960’s Star Trek.
Agree, and a very well done version of it.
After a bad episode to open the season, this was a very nice rebound.
Posted on 6/24/23 at 9:10 pm to lsusa
And just like that . . .
The show has lost me.
The show has lost me.
Posted on 6/25/23 at 4:25 pm to CU_Tigers4life
It was not just won on a legal technicality, but it was done based misrepresentation of facts already shown in series and the law read in an attempt to seem smart. It was a story of misrepresentation of facts and legal manipulation more than #1 and accepting the abuse her parents did to her. Not that it is difficult to upstage Rebecca, but the story was the lawyer getting a guilty client not just out of jail but back in starfleet as second in command of the enterprise (with an assist from some horrible judges).
Bringing up anything Wesley Crusher is fitting because Rebecca is about as poor of an actor as the one who played Wesley. The best Wesley crusher episode was him going away. I honestly wouldn’t have cared if #1 went away. I am actually starting to lose interest in series after first 2 episodes this season (whoever said 3rd season of Picard was a must watch has been correct with what I have watched so far).
Episode wasn’t bad, but to put it up there with classics is an offense to the classics. Regardless of intent or interpretation of some it effectively just served to close the storyline we saw in future of her being convicted and jailed. That’s not a classic but just a filler episode.
Bringing up anything Wesley Crusher is fitting because Rebecca is about as poor of an actor as the one who played Wesley. The best Wesley crusher episode was him going away. I honestly wouldn’t have cared if #1 went away. I am actually starting to lose interest in series after first 2 episodes this season (whoever said 3rd season of Picard was a must watch has been correct with what I have watched so far).
Episode wasn’t bad, but to put it up there with classics is an offense to the classics. Regardless of intent or interpretation of some it effectively just served to close the storyline we saw in future of her being convicted and jailed. That’s not a classic but just a filler episode.
This post was edited on 6/25/23 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 6/26/23 at 11:05 am to Bham4Tide
I think people are going to see what they want to see in this episode. It could be taken many different ways, just like a lot of older Star Trek episodes from all of the different shows could be construed however the viewer wants to see it. That is what Star Trek has always been good at, except for Discovery and season 2 of Picard, letting the viewer interpret the meaning without pounding them over the head with it. They typically play this strategy very well, and have done it for a long time.
I chose to take it at face value, and thought it wasn't a bad episode. I totally get why some folk are calling it 'woke', and are saying to Hell with the show. Season one was really, really good though. I am not ready to toss this out yet. I'd like to see what happens when Pike comes back full time.
I chose to take it at face value, and thought it wasn't a bad episode. I totally get why some folk are calling it 'woke', and are saying to Hell with the show. Season one was really, really good though. I am not ready to toss this out yet. I'd like to see what happens when Pike comes back full time.
Posted on 6/26/23 at 12:08 pm to 21zereaux
I'm not really digging this season thus far and it's mainly from a character standpoint.
Spock - They are playing him with far too much emotion, especially thus far this season. The very rare instances of emotion (outside of some drug or mental control/influence) in the TOS were far fewer and muuuuuuch more subtle. I know this Spock is younger, but portraying him with so much emotionality (and more to come in E3, if the trailer is accurate) just doesn't feel right for that character.
Christine Chappel - In TOS she was a recurring character with no combat abilities and her "romance" with Spock was always stopped just before it went too far, this happened (at different times) with Christine and Spock being the ones to pull back. The current series has not only over-shot that mark by a wide margin already, they've made Christine the new "strong female" character du jour. The two are so dissimilar as there is no real way to reconcile them other than to pull an Abrams and have a history re-rewriting event.
Pike - More Pike. The end.
#1 - Boring character. There's no #1 in TOS, that position came about in TNG. I'm not sure why they brought it back for this series.
Dr. M'Benga - So far, so good. He has had some interesting development.
Uhura - Not a big fan of making her some sort of super-communications-specialist right off the bat, but at least she's not another clone. She would be better written as still having a lot to learn (as it is, she's pretty much already at or beyond TOS Uhura). Her character this season (both episodes of it lol) has been pretty good.
Spock - They are playing him with far too much emotion, especially thus far this season. The very rare instances of emotion (outside of some drug or mental control/influence) in the TOS were far fewer and muuuuuuch more subtle. I know this Spock is younger, but portraying him with so much emotionality (and more to come in E3, if the trailer is accurate) just doesn't feel right for that character.
Christine Chappel - In TOS she was a recurring character with no combat abilities and her "romance" with Spock was always stopped just before it went too far, this happened (at different times) with Christine and Spock being the ones to pull back. The current series has not only over-shot that mark by a wide margin already, they've made Christine the new "strong female" character du jour. The two are so dissimilar as there is no real way to reconcile them other than to pull an Abrams and have a history re-rewriting event.
Pike - More Pike. The end.
#1 - Boring character. There's no #1 in TOS, that position came about in TNG. I'm not sure why they brought it back for this series.
Dr. M'Benga - So far, so good. He has had some interesting development.
Uhura - Not a big fan of making her some sort of super-communications-specialist right off the bat, but at least she's not another clone. She would be better written as still having a lot to learn (as it is, she's pretty much already at or beyond TOS Uhura). Her character this season (both episodes of it lol) has been pretty good.
This post was edited on 6/26/23 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 6/26/23 at 12:10 pm to Bard
quote:She was a character in the Pike episodes of TOS.
#1 - Boring character. There's no #1 in TOS, that position came about in TNG. I'm not sure why they brought it back for this series.
Posted on 6/26/23 at 12:18 pm to dallastigers
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It was not just won on a legal technicality, but it was done based misrepresentation of facts already shown in series and the law read in an attempt to seem smart. It was a story of misrepresentation of facts and legal manipulation more than #1 and accepting the abuse her parents did to her. Not that it is difficult to upstage Rebecca, but the story was the lawyer getting a guilty client not just out of jail but back in starfleet as second in command of the enterprise (with an assist from some horrible judges).
Bringing up anything Wesley Crusher is fitting because Rebecca is about as poor of an actor as the one who played Wesley. The best Wesley crusher episode was him going away. I honestly wouldn’t have cared if #1 went away. I am actually starting to lose interest in series after first 2 episodes this season (whoever said 3rd season of Picard was a must watch has been correct with what I have watched so far).
Episode wasn’t bad, but to put it up there with classics is an offense to the classics. Regardless of intent or interpretation of some it effectively just served to close the storyline we saw in future of her being convicted and jailed. That’s not a classic but just a filler episode.
Q coined the expression "Legal Trickery" in the TNG Pilot and this has been used many times in the various Star Trek series. I've offered a few but I will throw in a few legal issues:
Spock used a legal trick to allow a full telling of He and Capt. Pike's Journey to Talos IV when he stole the Enterprise and crippled Pike in TOS "The Menagerie".
Dr. Bashir career was saved due to legal maneuvering to punish his parents and he was a Federation Citizen.
"Drumhead" showed how the legal system can ignore the rights of the citizens when Admiral Satie went on a witch hunt.
I would also suggest that the Federation violated the Prime Directive in forcing Una to lie about her genetic enhancements. This is a part of their normal culture and the Federation violated General Order 1 on that point. These people weren't allowed to practice their culture openly without fear of being ostracized. In Dr. Bashir's case he and his parents were Federation Citizens and they patriated in a lie.
I'm not trying to change your mind but I feel comfortable where I stand.
This post was edited on 6/26/23 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 6/26/23 at 1:23 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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She was a character in the Pike episodes of TOS.
That was a #1 position? I always thought she was a Chief Science Officer.
Posted on 6/26/23 at 9:00 pm to Bard
quote:I don’t think they even mentioned her name. She was just “Number One”.
That was a #1 position? I always thought she was a Chief Science Officer.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 10:34 am to Fewer Kilometers
Ep 3 is already out. Seems early.
I have questions but I’ll wait.
I have questions but I’ll wait.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 10:46 am to WestSideTiger
I just looked and yes, EP. 3 is out two days early.
Maybe the Showtime merge caused this? Dunno.
Will wait on the wife to get home before I watch it. Interesting it is out early.
Maybe the Showtime merge caused this? Dunno.
Will wait on the wife to get home before I watch it. Interesting it is out early.
This post was edited on 6/27/23 at 10:47 am
Posted on 6/27/23 at 3:34 pm to 21zereaux
Just watched Ep 3. This was centered around La'an and Kirk. If you saw the trailer to this Episode you will know this is time-variant of Kirk and they had to go back to present day Earth (Toronto) to deal with a crisis.
Without giving up any majors spoilers at this time I liked the episode. It certainly had it's share of call-backs to other Trek shows dealing with time-travel back to present day Earth. This episode reminded me a little of Mission Earth with Gary 7 and City on the Edge of Forever. They did a good job of balancing the seriousness of their situation with some well-place humor.
There were some nice Easter eggs in this ep too.
Without giving up any majors spoilers at this time I liked the episode. It certainly had it's share of call-backs to other Trek shows dealing with time-travel back to present day Earth. This episode reminded me a little of Mission Earth with Gary 7 and City on the Edge of Forever. They did a good job of balancing the seriousness of their situation with some well-place humor.
There were some nice Easter eggs in this ep too.
This post was edited on 6/27/23 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 6/27/23 at 8:24 pm to 21zereaux
I already had Paramount+ with Showtime and it’s not coming up on Paramount+ for me, I can find it from the Amazon home page which tells me to subscribe to something I’m already paying for.
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