re: Star Trek Strange new Worlds Season 2

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I was already sold on La’an (liked actress in limited appearances on Line of Duty, Dr Who, and some others before this show) and liked her in this episode up until the crying at the end. That crying face and the crying was kind of bad. I thought she was a better #1 than #1 and would be a better #1 full time on the show, but that crying makes think maybe it’s time for Spock.

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I think they're trying to humanize her, and when you consider she never had anything close to a romantic partner due to all the things involved in her childhood and then her tenure at the academy, to get a fleeting moment of it only for the person to die in your arms?

As far as the acting of the crying, I guess I didn't see a problem with it? I've seen the way a lot of people have cried at things like funerals and the like - some people just look like that when they do.

Ep 4 dropped.

For those that know TOS well, you'll recall a flashback in "The Menagerie (Also know as The Cage) where the OG Capt. Pike experienced the time when he was engaged in mortal combat at Rigel 7. Here's that scene:

Pike @ Rigel 7

This episode has Pike revisiting this planet and the whole backstory of his first visit and why he's not thrilled to return.

Another good story. All of the cast gets some good screen time.

It’s early in the season but I also would like to point out about those bitching on the first couple of pages about there not being enough Pike and SNW no longer being episodic were incorrect. At least so far.

Another solid episode.

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This weeks episode was great until the last two minutes. Absolutely great.

Maybe they’ll come up with some contrivance to explain it away :/ like he wasn’t completely healed.

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While this episode was very entertaining, they really went off the rails with the Canon. Let's get those out of the way:

If you remember "Amok Time" in TOS, Spock only saw T'Pring when she was a child before seeing her as an adult while serving under Kirk. In SNW, he's interacting with an adult T'pring 10 years or so before Kirk takes command.

Second is Spock's relationship with Chapel has no previous history aside from Chapel being a lovesick puppy chasing a man that doesn't have the same feelings.

The only way to clean that up someday is to have an event that retcon's Spock and Chapel..

With that said, the episode was fun and entertaining

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• He says they were betrothed at seven. Did they ever say that hadn't seen each other since then?

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Second is Spock's relationship with Chapel has no previous history aside from Chapel being a lovesick puppy chasing a man that doesn't have the same feelings.

The only way to clean that up someday is to have an event that retcon's Spock and Chapel..
As long as Spock and Chapel break up and decide to have an ongoing, strictly professional relationship, Chapel's pining for a Spock that was once human enough to care about her would make sense.

• Edited to add: The biggest "mistake" is the Enterprise crew not knowing who T'Pring is in Amok Time, after a few of them had her on board in SNW.

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I'm going to have to go back and check on T'pring. One other Easter Egg was dropped with Chapel. Did you notice the reference to Dr. Corby? Very clever. He was from the "What are little girls made of?" TOS Episode where Chapel mentioned she was once engaged to him and we discovered he was dead and replaced by an android body.


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FK, I just went back to "Amok Time" and Spock didn't mention only seeing T'Pring as a child. We're led to believe that because we see Spock looking at her when she was a child and Spock talking about their betrothal at age 7 but that's it. Kind of like "Play it again Sam" was never spoken in Casablanca..

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FK, I just went back to "Amok Time" and Spock didn't mention only seeing T'Pring as a child. We're led to believe that because we see Spock looking at her when she was a child and Spock talking about their betrothal at age 7 but that's it.

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I watched Amok Time today myself. I think you may be correct about the not saying he hadn’t seen her since 7. However, there was a scene on the bridge where she comes on screen and he is asked “who is that” and answers “my wife”. Uhura seems particularly surprised. Chapel is also on the bridge.


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Despite appearing in both "Spock Amok" and "Charades," T'Pring and Uhura never meet each other. When Spock and T'Pring hilariously swap bodies in "Spock Amok," Uhura is on Starbase 1 helping Captain Pike and Admiral Robert April (Adrian Holmes) in their negotiations with the R'ongovians. In "Charades," Uhura goes with Nurse Christine Chapel (Jess Bush) and Lt. Erica Ortegas (Melissa Navia) on a shuttle mission to help Spock. In both episodes, Uhura is not even on the Enterprise at the same time as T'Pring, making the chances of them running into each other impossible.

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I watched Amok Time today myself. I think you may be correct about the not saying he hadn’t seen her since 7. However, there was a scene on the bridge where she comes on screen and he is asked “who is that” and answers “my wife”. Uhura seems particularly surprised. Chapel is also on the bridge.

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This is where things go a little sideways. Based on SNW, Uhura and Chapel should not be surprised to see T'pring nor her status with Spock as was seen in "Time Amok" since in SWN they've seen adult T'pring a multiple occasions.

Episode 6 out. Sorta in line with one of the TOS “meh” episodes, though they through in a lot of fan service type stuff. The first “official” meetings for Kirk with “fleet captain” Pike, Spock and Uhura. Some Jim & Sam Kirk time….a little Kirk and Le-ann time….they actually went sly with those…and a brief update on the Spock-Chapel thing.

Despite the overall episode being, as I said what I’d consider a Tos throw-away style episode they seemed to put a lot of connections in.

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Episode 6 out. Sorta in line with one of the TOS “meh” episodes, though they through in a lot of fan service type stuff. The first “official” meetings for Kirk with “fleet captain” Pike, Spock and Uhura. Some Jim & Sam Kirk time….a little Kirk and Le-ann time….they actually went sly with those…and a brief update on the Spock-Chapel thing.

Despite the overall episode being, as I said what I’d consider a Tos throw-away style episode they seemed to put a lot of connections in.

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Agreed. This was certainly the weakest episode of season 2. While it was still entertaining, it suffered from a weak script that could have been elevated better.

One thing I did really like in this episode was establishing a little back story of the Kirk brothers. I was please they retconned the prer-mature death of their father George Kirk by establishing he lived past the Kelvin and was part of their upbringing

Here are a few of my "pedantic thoughts":

1. Using TNG's Ten Forward as a template for a social bar/club, the one on SNW's Enterprise is too big and glitzy for a smaller ship from nearly 100 earlier than the Enterprise-D

2. The Federation must have money to burn. Blowing up that array with no physical evidence and just the word of an ensign fresh out of the Academy was a stretch. This is bad writing. The Science Team or the Medical staff should have established physical proof with Uhura's help.

3. Why do writers continually want to put Spock in a relationship? The JJ Trek tragedies had him hooking up with Uhura and SNW has him in a relationship Chapel.

The TOS Spock was the pure scientist. He was the rationale side of Kirk that created a great balance. I don't like these over-emotional Spock's that we're getting.

Next episode is going to be a crossover with "Lower Decks". 2 Live versions of those animated characters will be visiting the Enterprise.