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Soft Rant about Game of Thrones S8 E6 SPOILERS
Posted on 5/16/19 at 10:20 pm
Posted on 5/16/19 at 10:20 pm
This is my pre showing complaints. I can understand why they made these decisions, but it makes me VERY skeptical about the book having a similar ending.
1. Why would any of the lords in Westeros accept a cripple like Bran. From a show perspective its because everyone voting is a character the audience knows. But to greater Westeros it makes no sense.
2. Tyrion as Hand is trash. He has been an absolute disaster as an advisor. His ONLY victory is an accomplishment from season 2 of the show. Never mid that he betrayed his family (justified, but he murdered Tywin) and he betrayed Danerys.
3. Bronn becoming Warden of the Reach. You're telling me the lords of the Reach will accept a common sell sword to rule over them. This would never make sense in the books.
(I realize the show is using Bronn as a fan favorite character. They are also pretending other houses dont exist for plot expediency)
4. Brienne as Kingsguard is another example of something fitting for the show, but doesn't make sense seeing as Westeros is still very much a feudal society.
Small nitpick: why is everyone so upset about Ghost not getting petted. I agree that he should have, but that's a small complaint amongst other narrative problems.
I'll end by saying this to my detractors: you criticize something because you care about it. It has been an entertaining experience. But just because something is fun doesn't mean its above critique. Game of Thrones biggest sin is that it became the very films it's trying to satire.
Ironically, the show is the story about a tragedy while being a tragedy of it's own design. It's just as much George Martin's fault as Benioff and Weiss.
1. Why would any of the lords in Westeros accept a cripple like Bran. From a show perspective its because everyone voting is a character the audience knows. But to greater Westeros it makes no sense.
2. Tyrion as Hand is trash. He has been an absolute disaster as an advisor. His ONLY victory is an accomplishment from season 2 of the show. Never mid that he betrayed his family (justified, but he murdered Tywin) and he betrayed Danerys.
3. Bronn becoming Warden of the Reach. You're telling me the lords of the Reach will accept a common sell sword to rule over them. This would never make sense in the books.
(I realize the show is using Bronn as a fan favorite character. They are also pretending other houses dont exist for plot expediency)
4. Brienne as Kingsguard is another example of something fitting for the show, but doesn't make sense seeing as Westeros is still very much a feudal society.
Small nitpick: why is everyone so upset about Ghost not getting petted. I agree that he should have, but that's a small complaint amongst other narrative problems.
I'll end by saying this to my detractors: you criticize something because you care about it. It has been an entertaining experience. But just because something is fun doesn't mean its above critique. Game of Thrones biggest sin is that it became the very films it's trying to satire.
Ironically, the show is the story about a tragedy while being a tragedy of it's own design. It's just as much George Martin's fault as Benioff and Weiss.
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 10:38 pm to volod
I hope you’re wrong about Bran being King. I just would not be satisfied with that.
He’s probably my least favorite character/storyline on the whole show.
Just because you have visions and are crippled doesn’t mean you have to have a nonexistent personality and a dick to everyone.
He’s probably my least favorite character/storyline on the whole show.
Just because you have visions and are crippled doesn’t mean you have to have a nonexistent personality and a dick to everyone.
This post was edited on 5/16/19 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 5/16/19 at 10:40 pm to volod
You should probably change the thread title to leaks or post this in the leak thread. When some people think spoilers, they might think spoilers about things leading to this episode.
This post was edited on 5/16/19 at 10:42 pm
Posted on 5/16/19 at 10:47 pm to volod
how do you not mention the Others?
Posted on 5/16/19 at 10:52 pm to volod
Say what you want about the plot lines and the spoilers or whatever but the thing I hate most about this season is how much they’ve made me hate pretty much every character. Jon Snow went from being one of the main people to repeating the same 3 fricking lines all season and hasn’t really done shite. Cersei has done nothing but drink on a balcony. Tyrion is shite. Varys is shite. frick Sansa. Jaime wtf?! And on and on. I understand the point that this show hasn’t been about happy endings. Buts it’s possible to have an ending that isn’t happy but at the same time satisfying. Cleganebowl was literally the best thing about this whole season imho. Acting has been great, direction and visuals have been superb. But the story and writing has been so bad.
This post was edited on 5/16/19 at 10:53 pm
Posted on 5/16/19 at 10:57 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
I think Jon suffered brain damage after being resurrected. Most of his lines consist of "the dead are coming", "I don't want it", and "You're/she's my queen". The most disappointing arc in the whole series IMO.
This post was edited on 5/16/19 at 10:58 pm
Posted on 5/17/19 at 12:49 am to JPLSU1981
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hope you’re wrong about Bran being King. I just would not be satisfied with that.
Honestly. I'll be glad if I'm wrong too. But those leaks are pretty consistent and they've been right twice already.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 1:01 am to GeauxLSUGeaux
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Cersei has done nothing but drink on a balcony. Tyrion is shite. Varys is shite. frick Sansa. Jaime wtf?! And on and on. I understand the point that this show hasn’t been about happy endings. Buts it’s possible to have an ending that isn’t happy but at the same time satisfying.
The biggest issues are the character changes after episode 3.
Arya does a 180 on her quest for revenge after one talk with the Hound when they are already in the Red Keep. Her not saying a list didn't stop her from killing the Freys.
Sansa being skeptical AFTER Dany used her army to defend the north.
Dany has always shown signs of being wrathful. But the shift was way too fast. Every incident she had was against her enemies. And the one time a child got killed. SHE LOCKED UP HER DRAGONS. This was purely just to get the audience to hate her to kill her off.
The sad part is that the books (if finished) may be totally different because George hasn't doesn't know how to untangle the plotlines.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 6:03 am to volod
More soft ranting...
Nobody and I mean nobody cared about the people in Kings Landing before this season. Now after Dany and dragons save everyone alive and Winterfell Jon is going to turn on her for destroying some crappy place nobody cares about. Weak sauce.
Nobody and I mean nobody cared about the people in Kings Landing before this season. Now after Dany and dragons save everyone alive and Winterfell Jon is going to turn on her for destroying some crappy place nobody cares about. Weak sauce.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 6:14 am to JPLSU1981
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Just because you have visions and are crippled doesn’t mean you have to have a nonexistent personality and a dick to everyone.
Maybe he will be an outgoing extrovert in the last 10 minutes of the last episode.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 6:16 am to Rou Leed
Bran is going to need to srart rolling his arse down to Kings Landing about three months ago to even get there. Hes going to arrive in 5 minutes and be king.
This post was edited on 5/17/19 at 6:18 am
Posted on 5/17/19 at 6:22 am to Rou Leed
Why not post this in the leak thread?
Posted on 5/17/19 at 7:37 am to volod
There was a really good article about how we feel there’s whiplash as the viewer. It basically had to do with Martin coming up with stuff as he goes along where’s at a certain point D&D said okay we are limiting ourselves to 13 more episodes this is what needs to happen, so they began plotting to shove and fit what they though it needed and what we wanted. Leaving out Young Griff has shown to be a massive mistake in the narrative it seems. Anyway, TLDR I agree with you. I’ve read the leaks. Bran being king is ridiculous and people who binge watch this show 5 years from now for the 1st time will be like what the fricking frick
Posted on 5/17/19 at 8:03 am to JPLSU1981
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Just because you have visions and are crippled doesn’t mean you have to have a nonexistent personality and a dick to everyone.
I agree with what you're saying. But, once he fully became the three eyed raven I think all of his emotions and empathy just disappeared. I don't think he even knows he has an a-hole personality at this point
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:45 am to volod
I also have a problem with how powerful Cersei became after the Sept. A giant power vacuum is created and the most hated woman with few allies takes the throne? No. I know I know muh zombie Mountain.
I also have serious problems with how variable the dragon effect is. THREE dragons barely escape from the NK in the first encounter then Drogon ALONE burns the greatest fleet ever, one of the most powerful armies in the world, and one of the greatest cities all in a single afternoon. Come on.
I also have serious problems with how variable the dragon effect is. THREE dragons barely escape from the NK in the first encounter then Drogon ALONE burns the greatest fleet ever, one of the most powerful armies in the world, and one of the greatest cities all in a single afternoon. Come on.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 11:43 am to skidry
quote:It had nothing to do with the Mountain, Cersei eliminated the competition. She took out the Tyrells and Uncle Kevan in the Sept, along with the Sparrows. Qyburn took out the Grand Maester. There now is no power structure left above the Tarly level (which is a respected bannerman, but not a major house) that could oppose her, and the Small Council has been restructured (no Varys either) to become yes-men.
I also have a problem with how powerful Cersei became after the Sept. A giant power vacuum is created and the most hated woman with few allies takes the throne? No. I know I know muh zombie Mountain.
quote:You have Harrenhall as evidence of what a dragon COULD do (that was a big melted castle). You saw in Qarth early on, the dragons were no larger than cardinals on Dany's shoulders, and they were able to incinerate the wizard.
I also have serious problems with how variable the dragon effect is. THREE dragons barely escape from the NK in the first encounter then Drogon ALONE burns the greatest fleet ever, one of the most powerful armies in the world, and one of the greatest cities all in a single afternoon. Come on.
2 things come into play here- one is that the Night King, despite falling at Winterfell, remains the single greatest threat in the show. A couple lucky shots from Euron took Rhaegar down, while 1 hit from the Night King blew a giant bloody chunk out of Viserion.
Also, it really hasn't been touched on much, but Dany locked Rhaegar and Viserion up for a crucial part of their growth, chained and underground in the catacombs under Meereen. Drogon remained free at that period. They basically became BIG during that stretch. They don't explicitly say it, but it's not unlikely that Drogon was "an athlete", while the other 2 became "average" dragons. To a person, you might not notice the difference, but in extreme situations it would show.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 12:50 pm to volod
It is interesting that Bran is the first POV we get in the books.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 12:53 pm to volod
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Game of Thrones biggest sin is that it became the very films it's trying to satire
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satire
Posted on 5/17/19 at 1:00 pm to volod
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Small nitpick: why is everyone so upset about Ghost not getting petted. I agree that he should have, but that's a small complaint amongst other narrative problems.
Bc frick Jon for that bullshite, that’s why. Homeboy lost a fricking ear chomping down on dead dudes in the front ranks. He deserves a fricking head scratch. He’s a 20/10 good boye.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 5:35 pm to JPLSU1981
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I hope you’re wrong about Bran being King. I just would not be satisfied with that.
He’s probably my least favorite character/storyline on the whole show.
He wasn't in a whole DAMN SEASON. Trash!
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