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So, in Draft Day, after all was said and done, Costner ended up trading 3 #2's for a #1?
Posted on 2/6/18 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 2/6/18 at 5:23 pm
Just re-watched Draft Day. Kind of a clunky movie to be honest. But after all the shenanigans, what was the net result? Is this right:
Cleveland gets an extra #1 and picks the Vonte kid (which it seems they could have gotten easily where they were anyway) and the Ray kid from Florida State.
Seattle ends up with the player they wanted (Callahan) but got him for a lot less.
Jacksonville got 3 #2's for a pretty high #1.
Is that the gist of it?
Cleveland gets an extra #1 and picks the Vonte kid (which it seems they could have gotten easily where they were anyway) and the Ray kid from Florida State.
Seattle ends up with the player they wanted (Callahan) but got him for a lot less.
Jacksonville got 3 #2's for a pretty high #1.
Is that the gist of it?
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Posted on 2/6/18 at 5:24 pm to Methuselah
Yep. The movie is actually a satire of the Browns' actual draft day strategies.
Posted on 2/6/18 at 5:33 pm to Methuselah
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Is that the gist of it?
I watched this late one night about a month ago, so my memory may be fuzzy. But, I think he (Costner)also got back the next two years' #1's he had originally traded to Seattle at the beginning of the film.
Posted on 2/6/18 at 5:34 pm to Methuselah
Seattle - Loses PR but saves money by drafting the QB at 6th Overall instead of 1st Overall,
Cleveland - Loses three 2nd Rounders but acquires the 1st Overall Pick(LB) and a PR. Drafts a RB at 7th Overall. Cleveland also got back all 3 of the first rounders they traded to Seattle earlier to get the number one pick
Jaguars - Loses 6th Overall pick but gains three 2nd Rounders.
Posted on 2/6/18 at 5:34 pm to Methuselah
Here's a decent breakdown:
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The Browns start with the 7th Overall Pick, have scouted and want to take a LB who is projected to be available with that pick. The Seahawks have the 1st Overall Pick and want the top prospect in the draft, a QB, but they also want to trade down. The Seahawks trade the 1st Overall Pick to the Browns for the 7th Overall pick and three future 1st Rounders. However the Browns have not done any homework on the top prospect in the draft, the QB they traded up for.
The Browns start to scout the QB and decide they dont want him. They take the LB they were going to draft at 7th Overall with the 1st Overall Pick. They then trade three 2nd Rounders for the Jaguars 6th Overall Pick, putting them one spot ahead of Seattle at 7th Overall. Seattle still wants the QB they were going to draft at 1st Overall so they trade back the Browns 7th Overall Pick and three future 1st Rounders on top of adding in a PR for the 6th Overall Pick. The Seahawks draft the QB they wanted at 1st Overall and the Browns draft a RB with the 7th Overall Pick.
All on the day of the draft.
Seattle - Loses PR but saves money by drafting the QB at 6th Overall instead of 1st Overall,
Cleveland - Loses three 2nd Rounders but acquires the 1st Overall Pick(LB) and a PR. Drafts a RB at 7th Overall.
Jaguars - Loses 6th Overall pick but gains three 2nd Rounders.
Posted on 2/6/18 at 5:36 pm to Methuselah
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Cleveland gets an extra #1 and picks the Vonte kid (which it seems they could have gotten easily where they were anyway) and the Ray kid from Florida State.
Cleveland also got their three 1st rounders back from Seattle and also got the punt returner baw.
Not terrible I guess. I would have taken Bo though.
Posted on 2/6/18 at 5:37 pm to Methuselah
Yeah, no one should've been pleased with his draft strategy except for Tom Welling. The only team who came out worse than Cleveland was sad Jacksonville.
Posted on 2/6/18 at 5:42 pm to saintsfan22
quote:is argue getting THREE 2nd rounders is great. I would say Seattle got the worst end of the deal giving up those three firsts back to Cleveland. I think Jacksonville did the best. They clearly weren't interested in picking at #6, hell, their GM even said as much
The only team who came out worse than Cleveland was sad Jacksonville
Posted on 2/6/18 at 5:45 pm to WestCoastAg
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is argue getting THREE 2nd rounders is great.
Not for #6
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I would say Seattle got the worst end of the deal giving up those three firsts back to Cleveland.
It was very moronic but they still get their franchise QB for cheaper than the #1 slot.
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They clearly weren't interested in picking at #6, hell, their GM even said as much
Yeah but they traded back 33 slots. They're picking #6 so they probably need some top of the line talent in that draft. Everybody got a blue chipper out of the deal except for them.
This post was edited on 2/6/18 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 2/6/18 at 5:50 pm to saintsfan22
quote:I guess it boils down to, one first or three seconds. I think either outcome is/was fine for Jacksonville
Not for #6
quote:but gave up three firsts for that after deciding they didn't want him in the first place. Yes, they got him for cheaper, but the three firsts going back to Cleveland is the worst outcome of the moronic three moves these teams pulled off IMO
It was very moronic but they still get their franchise QB for cheaper than the #1 slot.
quote:which also makes it a good thing that they got multiple valuable picks for years down the line to re build the roster
They're picking #6 so they probably need some top of the line talent in that draft
quote:to be fair, we never get to see how these players turn out. If all three of those players turned out to be big time pro bowlers then sure, jacksonville probably got the raw end. But if they don't, they come out looking like bandits IMO
Everybody got a blue chipper out of the deal except for them.
This post was edited on 2/6/18 at 5:51 pm
Posted on 2/6/18 at 5:55 pm to WestCoastAg
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but gave up three firsts for that after deciding they didn't want him in the first place. Yes, they got him for cheaper, but the three firsts going back to Cleveland is the worst outcome of the moronic three moves these teams pulled off IMO
Trading 3 firsts to move from 7 to 6 is definitely dumb but they still can hold up their shiny Heisman winning QB. Agent Puffy can spin that as a good move.
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which also makes it a good thing that they got multiple valuable picks for years down the line to re build the roster
That panicking GM probably traded all those before the first round was done.
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to be fair, we never get to see how these players turn out. If all three of those players turned out to be big time pro bowlers then sure, jacksonville probably got the raw end. But if they don't, they come out looking like bandits IMO
I'd also add in that QB Tom Welling was probably over the hill and passing on Bo Callahan will come back to bite them.
Posted on 2/6/18 at 6:02 pm to WestCoastAg
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but gave up three firsts for that after deciding they didn't want him in the first place. Yes, they got him for cheaper, but the three firsts going back to Cleveland is the worst outcome of the moronic three moves these teams pulled off IMO
I pretty much agree with this. This seems the least likely decision out of all those made. If anything they would have probably offered one of the #1's back. Maybe 2 at most. Costner would have probably gone for it.
Posted on 2/6/18 at 6:04 pm to saintsfan22
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Tom Welling was probably over the hill
frick this makes me feel old.
Posted on 2/6/18 at 6:10 pm to Methuselah
I just would have called Costners bluff. No way in hell am I giving up 3 firsts for anyone
Posted on 2/6/18 at 6:30 pm to Methuselah
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ended up trading 3 #2's for a #1
Is that the gist of it?
yep, but they got the ST guy in the trade with seahawks as well
"incorrectly" in the movie ESPN reported/implied it was simply turning his #7 first round pick into a #1 and #7 1st round picks and got another player (ST guy) and never mentioned the 3 #2's he gave up in the deal as well
Posted on 2/6/18 at 6:47 pm to Methuselah
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Kind of a terrible movie to be honest
Fixed
Posted on 2/6/18 at 6:48 pm to Methuselah
quote:Time to evaluate your life
Just re-watched Draft Day
Posted on 2/6/18 at 6:52 pm to Melvin
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Time to evaluate your life
Posted on 2/6/18 at 6:54 pm to WestCoastAg
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I just would have called Costners bluff. No way in hell am I giving up 3 firsts for anyone
If the pancake eating son of a bitch did it, you think Costner picks the QB that he threatens to pick but doesn't believe will make a good player?
Posted on 2/6/18 at 7:07 pm to Methuselah
frickin morons
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