re: Snowpiercer season 2 *AND 3* discussion thread

Cant start without the obvious:

Audrey is the worst character on TV. Even if she's playing Wilford the long con, just her screen presence is enough to make me want to turn the channel. Makeup and wardrobe should charge by the pound, you'd need a putty knife for that repulsive monstrosity.

Wilford's plan is both too simple and too complex. Jamming the intakes - smart and plausible. Icy Bob hitting the Hydrogen sensor just right? c'mon

Ok, super confused....

Wiford fixes the train he sabotaged. Does the PA announcements. Layton sends out the red flare, cut to commercial....Layton is now in handcuffs? Did I miss something?? Was there a conversation he turns himself over?? Why is Roche & fam now in the drawers??

Who the frick edits this show? They drug out (now 3) episodes sans Melanie, with all this innner-train subterfuge crap.....And in between commercial breaks, Layton is submitting to Big Alice and Roche surrenders?? THAT storyline you skip.

Silly-putty face - we get a full on musical number
Wrist slitting blood bath - that we get too

Vital story progression in which 2 key characters are taken out of commission...THAT, you gloss over???

I honestly have very little idea of what’s going on.

So is Josie now gonna try to acclimate herself to the cold like Bob? Why the hell would she stick her hand in there? And Wilford giving her free reign of the train doesn’t make much sense either. And her magically looking mostly normal also doesn’t make much sense, but at least they covered it with a line about the goo treatments or whatever.

I have no idea what LJ and the Hispanic gay dude are up to. I kinda thought they (or at least she) would play into the murder with the fingers missing, but they’ve sort of vanished.

Audrey sucks. Bad. I actually kinda dig Alex’s storyline though. She at least has some depth to her and is being pulled legitimately from both directions (Melanie and Wilford).

Mel being gone this long is bad. Really bad. They need to get her back ASAP. She was the most compelling character on the show.

I don’t get what Bob was doing at the beginning on top of the train. Are we to believe that he went uptrain to frick with the intake thing? Because that thing is (assuredly) WAAAAAY uptrain. Like too far for someone to just walk in the ice and snow, no matter how acclimated they are to the cold.

I appreciate seeing inner workings of the train, but half an episode dedicated to a plumbing issue I can do without. I guess at least they’re tying it into the intake issue.

So are LJ and this gay dude a couple now? That doesn’t make sense. Oz. That’s his name. This is so forced when they showed us in S1 that he was making people do gay things for drugs.

Nevermind. They literally just said Bob went to the engine. So he walked the entirety of the train with no protection.

“Well clear the way so nobody knows Wilford is here.”
Next scene: they pass someone that wasn’t cleared.

Why the hell would they not keep Wilford off the damn intercom system?

I love how the flare shoots forward from the engine and nobody he was shooting it for would be able to see it.

And I don’t understand why Layton would be under arrest? Just because Wilford is taking back over?

This whole show is weird as frick. I actually almost really like it. But it doesn’t make a lot of sense sometimes. And it’s laughably silly at times too. But I enjoy watching it. It’s weird. :lol:

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So is Josie now gonna try to acclimate herself to the cold like Bob?

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unintended consequence of the synthetic frostbite skin treatment?? I thought the loony tunes doctors did something to his blood or body chemistry to make him resistant to the cold, and the burnt skin treatment was really a secondary reaction. Not that the skin itself was the cold resistance?

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And Wilford giving her free reign of the train doesn’t make much sense either. And her magically looking mostly normal also doesn’t make much sense, but at least they covered it with a line about the goo treatments or whatever.

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Maybe he thinks mistress sillyputty can do her jedi mind trick on her too?

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I kinda thought they (or at least she) would play into the murde

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right? She's a legitimate psychopath, on what basis would we think that a mop and broom have somehow changed that?

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Mel being gone this long is bad. Really bad. They need to get her back ASAP. She was the most compelling character on the show.

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Yeah. I am convinced this is studio budgetary constraints.

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Why the hell would they not keep Wilford off the damn intercom system?

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thats what I dont get. Take the damn briefcase, lock him in the bathroom and fix the train. Then, you put Boki/Bodi on the fricking mic and have him announce to the whole train he just had to go outside alone and pull a railroad spike out of the train that was put there deliberately by Wilford. Scream it from the top of the mountain, W is intentionally starting shite and he damn near killed everyone.

But no, you just stand there like a goon and let Wilford run free on the PA like it was monday morning announcements. If Layton was going to roll over that easy, why waste the last 3 episodes in a power struggle?

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Audrey is the worst character on TV. Even if she's playing Wilford the long con, just her screen presence is enough to make me want to turn the channel. Makeup and wardrobe should charge by the pound, you'd need a putty knife for that repulsive monstrosity.

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She's awful, and it's strange that the writers are focusing so hard on her. My hope is that she is at least playing the long con, but even if that's the case she makes for bad/uninteresting TV.

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Wiford fixes the train he sabotaged. Does the PA announcements. Layton sends out the red flare, cut to commercial....Layton is now in handcuffs? Did I miss something?? Was there a conversation he turns himself over?? Why is Roche & fam now in the drawers??

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Not only that but the guy says he will do his best to protect the Tailies next scene he's heading to the drawers. How is he going to protect the Tail while taking a nap?

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I swear to God I have no recollection of anybody going to the drawers in this episode. Granted, I was eating while watching the last 10+ minutes or so, but that's two posts about the drawers and I didn't see anybody in them. I may try to find it online and rewatch the end at lunch or something.

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Who the frick edits this show?

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It really stands out sometimes, and that's coming from a person that rarely notices edits and has issues with them. The pacing of this show just seems all wrong at times. Sometimes they amp shite up that nobody cares about, and other times they briefly touch on things that should be pretty big plot-wise. It's very strange.

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I think I can see why this happened. The end of the last episode, Layton saw all the lanterns. Then in this episode he told the breach man that it was Wilford and he didn’t believe him. Layton knows after the engine save, he has no ground to stand on and be the leader anymore. Even if he shows the spike and tells everyone Wilford is sabotaging things, very few will believe him. He’s coming off as the reluctant leader who is relinquishing his role because he knows he can’t keep it up.

It’s a stretch to be sure, but reading the body languages, that what I’m seeing.

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He definitely seemed defeated, like he knows it's not worth the effort right now. I assume in the finale next week Mel will finally come back and she will use Layton's information to somehow right the ship.

I just still can't get over how sloppy these people are sometimes. The one thing you had to do was make sure nobody knew W was on the train. So you use the subtrain. And even though there are only a handful of people in on your plan, you still have to perform due diligence and make sure the fricking subtrain is empty. I mean, just send a car ahead of yours to make sure nobody is down there. Or shite, cover W up with something (even a fricking blanket would work)...or put something up blocking the side view into the car, so that even if someone is down there they won't have any idea what is going on or who is on the car. All very simple/easy solutions that could have avoided all of this.

And yes, I realize I am nitpicking the show, and without these mistakes there is no drama, but there are other ways to create drama than manufacturing it out of sheer stupidity of the main characters.

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Layton sends out the red flare, cut to commercial....Layton is now in handcuffs? Did I miss something??

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I went back a couple times on this part to make sure I didn't miss something as well. Glad it wasn't just me.

What happened to Bess' girlfriend from the first season? The botanist/scientist lady that was friends with Melanie? Did something actually happen to the character, or did they lose the actress and so the character has just disappeared between seasons with no explanation?

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Broadway actress which kinda shows. They try to make her sexy and hot and all i can see is the cake makeup over her acne scars.

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yeah, it's fricking gross

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the one that blows past Mel, what is Alex going to do to allow Mel to get back on the train?

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I had held on that it was just a hallucination, but after the past 2 episodes, I see now the writers have no problem with that massive plothole, and fully expect that shot with the train screaming past Mel is real.

That being the case - if Wilford is on SP, and Layton is being transferred to BA:

Alex with Layton devise a scheme to separate Big Alice from SP to go back and rescue Mel. Since Mel did whatever she did to ensure the trains cant separate, Josie/Icy Bob go outside and do something to allow the trains to split. Cut to cliffhanger for Season 3

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What happened to Bess' girlfriend from the first season? The botanist/scientist lady that was friends with Melanie? Did something actually happen to the character, or did they lose the actress and so the character has just disappeared between seasons with no explanation?

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She must be hanging out with Miles in the green room?

I think they blew the cast budget on Audrey's makeup department

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sending Mike OMalley to the cold locker

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Wasn't crazy about this move. His character was one of the few likable characters on the show.