re: SJWs are ruining entertainment, & it's not even debatable anymore. It simply needs to stop

Yep, real cutting edge stuff in here. Will definitely read multiple times.

You’re being dishonest.

So stop watching. I enjoyed the first two seasons of the Rookie, and they actually covered topics that could be seen as Woke, but once they went full blown insane with it I stopped watching. I wasn't alone, and the ratings went into a free fall. At this point in time, if a show hamfists a Spike Lee written white guy into the show, I'm probably not going to watch it. Racism exists, and it happens, but my god you'd think half the country is the KKK the way supposedly close to reality scripted shows are lately.

That rant being said, there is so much content out there that you can find movies and shows without the garbage.

I think another thing ruining entertainment is just the cynicism we have for every single thing in life nowadays. Not a single movie can come out without 15 "reviewers" just relentlessly tearing it apart like it's supposed to be Citizen Kane.

Wokism in the media has little to do with making money. So it may be with us for a long time.

I am more disturbed when I see stories like this. I really don't see what you're referencing. Granted, I haven't followed much mainstream "entertainment" in recent years, so I end up seeing more of the reaction against it. And I think much of that is people seeking this stuff out for outrage. I'm sure there are all sorts of absurdiries to be found in the world of "LGBT...". But complaining about it without acknowledging the violence and disparaging attitudes directed toward people does nothing for me. There's a more balanced way to look at it.
(An angle on these issues that's often understated is the lack of criticism by people on the left for the brutal treatment of "LGBT..." by Muslims.)

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I think Gender/race swaps are lazy cash grabs too, but if black Superman is crumpling your societal values, maybe reassess those values.

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Aside form the typical hyperbole from you suggesting that being against this move most equate to the crumpling of one's societal values, this black comic fan disagrees with you regarding Black Superman. Clearly, he must be racist.

The truth about race swapping

"The short version is simply that Superman is iconic. We all know his story without ever reading a comic or watching a movie. We know what he looks like, to the point where we can use him as reference when describing REAL people! Because of that, it's never to impossible to change anything major about Superman, from his name to his powers to his race. Any changes form what we know are seen to be wrong." - Just Some Guy

Yes, Superman should be white.

Some more white supremacy from the same black comic book fan.

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I don’t inherently think not liking these things makes you racist, misogynistic or homo/transphobic but I think there is portion of people who are.

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Then address those people individually if and when they come up. Shotgunning criticisms like that at anyone who dares suggest that Superman ought to LOOK like Superman is complete horseshite. We see this every time the subject comes up, where anyone that actually believes in keeping iconic characters as close to the source materials as you can as whiny fan boys whose racism keeps them from accepting change.

And the thing is, much of what you quoted by others in the thread is accurate. Think of it this way...there is only ONE reason to race swap Superman. What is it? To tell a different Superman story where his race plays a large portion of the story, right? And what would that be? Maybe it'll be feeling even MORE like an outsider if it turns out that Ma and Pa Kent are still white and they adopt him as their own in lily white Kansas. Maybe that having to hide his powers is an allegory for how white people keep black people down systemically, or once his powers are fully known having white people fear an all powerful black man.

Because if you don't do this with the story, then why did you purposefully choose a guy that looks nothing like Superman to play the role? A studio would have NEVER cast a blonde haired guy to play Superman because he would not like the character, why cast a black actor if not to make an issue out of his race? And as soon as you start to make an issue out of his race, you're forever altering the Superman story in favor of some political motive. And in this case WB hires a TREMENDOUSLY politically, and frankly open racist in Ta-Nehisi Coates (a guy who's had little to no success actually writing the two comics he's been hired to produce), so it would be absurd to suggest that he would not have been hired to "be himself" here.

What's so crazy about even having this discussion is that only a few years ago we'd have conversations here and other places where we'd ask about actors that would be great in certain roles, and in almost EVERY situation those recommendations were almost entirely based on how much the actor looked like the known character, because what fans want most of all when making a live action version of a known property is to make what they have already read or seen come to life. And now we're pretending that fans being upset that you're going to race change an iconic character is no big deal and anyone that complains is just an a-hole... Hell...even though there is no utility to Superman still having Strong Man outer underwear on his uniform as he was once portrayed, the costume STILL looks wrong without it! That's how much of an icon this character is.

Just be honest...when you close your eyes and picture Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, what do you see? You see their hair color, their eyes, their build, their facial structure, their costumes...and yeah, their skin color. Why do we need to pretend that wanting these characters to remain as they always have been and what made them iconic is somehow bad?

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I'm sure there are all sorts of absurdiries to be found in the world of "LGBT...". But complaining about it without acknowledging the violence and disparaging attitudes directed toward people does nothing for me.

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No one here has anything to do with the violence, nor do they advocate for it. That doesn't mean we're all supposed to ignore the push for the destruction for an traditional norms in our culture.

And people are allowed to have "disparaging attitudes" and that characterization likens your objection to objecting to people's own free thoughts. You will never own or control people's thoughts.

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Kinda racist of you to assume someone is the ultimate authority on racism because he is black.

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Kinda racist of you to assume that it's kinda racist of me to assume that someone is the ultimate authority on racism because he is black.

It's simply interesting how often white saviors desire to suggest others are being racist in what can only be seen as a paternalistic move by them to offer help to the poor incapable black community, and then ignore black voices that disagree with their assertions. In this case you have an incredibly informed black man making the vary same argument many here have made, and it stands to reason that if the kneejerk reaction to why those of us here dared suggest that Superman ought to be a white guy is racism, then would it not stand to reason that this black man is racist against black people as well?

And if a black man can make the same argument as I can as to why he thinks Superman ought to be white and NOT be a racist, why then am I labeled one?

The problem with pointing at everything and screaming racism, is that not only do you eventually run out of targets, but it attempts to remove any legitimate criticisms a person might have, and not surprisingly people resent that. There are a hundred legitimate reasons for why race swapping an iconic character is ridiculous that have nothing to do with racism. It's just lazy to go right to that reason before anyone gives you a reason to, and it's why you constantly see push back anytime it's done.