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re: Severance Season 2 Discussion (Spoilers)
Posted on 1/24/25 at 7:36 pm to TheNameIsDalton
Posted on 1/24/25 at 7:36 pm to TheNameIsDalton
quote:I lean more and more towards Helena is on the severed floor. The elevator scene was a teaser without being conclusive.
I'm torn on whether Helly/Helena is on the severed floor now. I was firmly on the Helly side but they handled her character super well in this new episode and there are some new motivations for her to go downstairs, mainly her reaction to watching the kiss. I think she may want to actually have that feel again for herself, similar to Milcheck convincing Mark to come back, love. Also, during the elevator scene, the only ding sound you don't hear which represents the employee becoming severed is Helena.
Helena watches not only the kissing and goodbye scene repeatedly, but she watched the rest of the recordings as well (not shown in detail). Outie Helena has to be reserved and say the right things to protect the company and family, you can see her reaction when she made the apology recording. She sees inner Helly get to be angry, lash out, have passion, etc. and wishes she could have that.
How does she solve both the company issues and get to experience the other side of herself? Go onto the severed floor as herself. In this scenario she gets to experience the desire of being Helly R while also working towards completing Cold Harbor.
Just two cents.
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Posted on 1/24/25 at 7:49 pm to drizztiger
The Fetid Moppets would be an excellent band name.
This post was edited on 1/24/25 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 1/24/25 at 7:51 pm to mceuph
quote:Completely agree.
The Fetid Moppets would be an excellent band name.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 11:00 pm to drizztiger
Milchick gotta be careful riding that sport bike at night in freezing temps with snow on the ground. Tires ain't made for that.
That's some broke arse kid shite. You know he pulling bank with that promotion. Need to get him a nice Escalade with heated seats.
Dude so precise, it's out of character to take that risk.
That's some broke arse kid shite. You know he pulling bank with that promotion. Need to get him a nice Escalade with heated seats.
Dude so precise, it's out of character to take that risk.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 8:35 am to wareaglepete
quote:
I’m all in on Helana being on the severed floor.
100%
Watch the convo in the hall with Helena and Mark... She's inquiring about his wife and you can see that it hurts her when he talks about her, but then she says "That is on the outside, we are here"...
Others are spot on, her watching the security video of her and Mark kissing is what brought her back.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 11:22 am to Lsut81
Saw Dylan at the gas station today. Was his doppleganger for sure. Was driving a black late 90’s Camaro.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 12:35 pm to drizztiger
quote:
I lean more and more towards Helena is on the severed floor.
I feel the same way, which is funny because the show seems to want you to lean away from that theory.
I think the reason why Helena is down there has changed for me. I think she's somewhat jealous of the freedom Helly has. Helena probably isn't allowed a personal relationship nor the freedom to rebel against her family. Helly might be seen to her as something for her to aspire to and role playing as Helly would be somewhat liberating to her.
I sort of think of all the innies as purer versions or freer versions (even though they are in a sort of hell). They aren't burdened by past traumas.
Mark Scout can be a mean drunk and looks like a guy running out the clock on his life. Mark S is more compassionate and caring.
Irving Bailiff is probably a gay man who's probably repressed that his whole life. While Irving B is more open.
We don't know enough about Dylan's outie though.
The main theme of Season 1 is revolution on the severed floor. Helly is introduced and is a radicalizing force right away, Ricken's book and Irving falling in love all lead to all out rebellion by MDR.
I think the main theme of Season 2 will be the same revolution for the outies. Helena wanting to break free from her oppressive family and company so she secretly has her implant disabled. Mark realizing that his job at Lumon is not what he's been lead to believe and obviously he now knows there might be a connection to his wife.
We don't know Irving and Burt's relationship on the outside but there's obviously a reason we haven't been shown their interaction after Irv bangs on his door but whatever happened Irv was quick to lie about it to Milkshake. Given his cryptic phone call and Burt sitting watching him, it's possible that they too are being radicalized on the outside or have been all along.
Maybe Irv the ultimate company man on the inside is the rebel on the outside. Sort of a mirrored version of Helena the company woman on the outside but the rebel on in the inside.
It also seems more clear what they are doing in MDR.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 12:56 pm to drizztiger
Man what a dynamite episode! Forgot just how incredible this show can be. As others have said, there isn’t anything out there like it right now and that’s pretty incredible all things considered. Think I can safely say it’s the best show on television right now.
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Posted on 1/25/25 at 1:06 pm to mceuph
This is going to be my go to gif
Posted on 1/25/25 at 1:17 pm to drizztiger
quote:
Helena watches not only the kissing and goodbye scene repeatedly, but she watched the rest of the recordings as well (not shown in detail). Outie Helena has to be reserved and say the right things to protect the company and family, you can see her reaction when she made the apology recording. She sees inner Helly get to be angry, lash out, have passion, etc. and wishes she could have that.
How does she solve both the company issues and get to experience the other side of herself? Go onto the severed floor as herself. In this scenario she gets to experience the desire of being Helly R while also working towards completing Cold Harbor.
This also makes her conversation with Mark make sense. She wants Mark down there because he's important but also Helena wants have a relationship with him.
I don't think they're concerned with Mark S. finding anything out at all. They don't think reintegration is real so they think they can just kill him and all of his memories whenever they need to. So there's no need for a mole to go down and spy. Just a probably very horny woman.
I was sort of hoping for a spy vs spy season. My favorite theory from episode 1 was that Mark was reintegrated and the Helena/Helly thing was a distraction from the real mole.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 1:18 pm to JoeHackett
quote:Good take overall.
I sort of think of all the innies as purer versions or freer versions (even though they are in a sort of hell). They aren't burdened by past traumas.
For this part, I can see this. For Dylan, the small glimpse of his outie is that he seems to lack confidence and the stresses of life have taken its toll. That’s why you see innie Dylan is always boasting about himself and how great his outie must be. He actually has the confidence inherently and it hasn’t been taken from him. I think him initiating the OTC demonstrates that.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 1:35 pm to UnluckyTiger
Acting & Writing aside, the cinematography is top notch. It’s creative but not over the top and it really is a key element of the show.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 1:44 pm to FairhopeTider
quote:Agreed. It has its own style too.
Acting & Writing aside, the cinematography is top notch.
Btw, I recommend everyone rewatch E1 from this season when Mark is running through the Severance floor to get to Wellness. The camera angles are insane and constantly twisting and swiveling. It’s terrific.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 1:50 pm to FairhopeTider
Yep the pan out of walking into the conference room was very cool. You can tell they have a much larger budget this season.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 3:08 pm to wareaglepete
quote:
I’m all in on Helana being on the severed floor.
I kind of think this or think it will happen, but Helly’s lie about her outie seemed kind of made up on the spot especially the “night” gardener. Helena would have several days to come up with something better than that, but for Helly it would have all just happened with little time to think about whether to expose herself or come up with a cover story about her outie.
If Helena the other question would be if done on her own or did family agree with her plan and helped set up going down elevator without having her innie switch flipped on, but if family and company onboard they would have also helped her come up with a better story for her outie’s life or should have.
I can’t remember if first season touched on how this is overcome, but the entering elevator after a full day of work to immediately awaken in elevator to restart a new full day of work would be maddening. Maybe it’s just something you are supposed to just go with as being handled by the implant, or it’s what flames rebellion with the want or need to do something different which seems like a big bug in the system that would constantly pop up at all locations.
This post was edited on 1/25/25 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 1/26/25 at 4:15 am to drizztiger
quote:Here is a breakdown of this scene from Stiller and Adam Scott. ETA: Bolt Arm, etc. Y'all going to like this.
Btw, I recommend everyone rewatch E1 from this season when Mark is running through the Severance floor to get to Wellness. The camera angles are insane and constantly twisting and swiveling. It’s terrific.
This post was edited on 1/26/25 at 6:08 am
Posted on 1/26/25 at 5:09 am to dallastigers
quote:So I've been back of head trying to put this timeline together.
I kind of think this or think it will happen, but Helly’s lie about her outie seemed kind of made up on the spot especially the “night” gardener. Helena would have several days to come up with something better than that, but for Helly it would have all just happened with little time to think about whether to expose herself or come up with a cover story about her outie.
Y'all help me piece this together.
We see innie Mark right back into svr'd floor in E1, but in E2, we see outie Mark had 2 days to decide to come back.
This is somewhat confirmed when Milkshake says he only had 48 hours to get the new MDR workers.
It seems from there, innie Mark made it 3 days before plugging in the speaker to the board asking for his friends.
That's a total of 5 days. At the meeting at Lumen, Helena is told Mark's request is going to be met. That could possibly give Helena only that night to come up with a story and easily have uncertainty trying to be Helly R.
This also gives 5 days for outie Irv and outie Burt to possibly know more than a few minutes. Same for Dylan, which we only see him job hunting.
But, everyone has 5 days, except Mark, he got 2 days. Or am I over thinking this?
Posted on 1/26/25 at 5:35 am to drizztiger
quote:
Here is a breakdown of this scene from Stiller and Adam Scott. ETA: Bolt Arm, etc. Y'all going to like this.
That was pretty damn cool.
I love that Stiller calls out the guy in the background and teases that. Knew it wasn't milkshake and it was a white guy, but for Stiller to say "kind of looks like you" brings in the whole clone stuff, which is the assumption with Gemma.
Posted on 1/26/25 at 8:20 am to JoeHackett
quote:
I sort of think of all the innies as purer versions or freer versions (even though they are in a sort of hell). They aren't burdened by past traumas.
And in that, they’re are essentially children. Purer without the life experience. Look at how they are treated and how Milichik talks and interacts with them. They get cartoons shown to them and they love it. Love getting rewards. Much easier to brainwash. Until, they get more experience, and what do most all kids do when they become teenagers? Rebel!
Watch every episode and think of the innies as little kids and it all makes sense.
Posted on 1/26/25 at 9:30 am to Esquire
Wow, thanks for posting the pic of Gemma.
My theory now is that Lumon are the "good guys". Working on tech to build Robocop-style androids of deceased people. Severed floor MDR is sorting DNA/Emotions/memories etc. that are really bugs in the AI software. MDR is essentially "training" the AI model. For some reason, Mark is key to this because he knows her best. He'd be too emotionally distraught to do this without severance which is why he has to be severed to do the work. Maybe others need to be severed just to keep the project top secret.
My theory now is that Lumon are the "good guys". Working on tech to build Robocop-style androids of deceased people. Severed floor MDR is sorting DNA/Emotions/memories etc. that are really bugs in the AI software. MDR is essentially "training" the AI model. For some reason, Mark is key to this because he knows her best. He'd be too emotionally distraught to do this without severance which is why he has to be severed to do the work. Maybe others need to be severed just to keep the project top secret.
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