re: San Diego Comic-Con Mega-Thread: Updates and Discussion

Honestly I would love to see a JL or Avengers movie done by Blur in the same look as this. LINK

The dialogue between Batman and Green Lantern in that was the best thing

I watched it last night. The dialogue at the end when they are being praised by the president is my favorite.

GL: Oh, you wanna bark orders, after I did the heavy lifting and pulled everyone together?

Batman: You're referring to when you botched simple directives and Wonder Woman led the charge?

GL: Cyborg showed you a video?

Batman: He e-mailed it to me.

GL: I really hate you, Bats.


Or the first time they meet in the sewers.

Batman: What's this do?

GL: Huh?

Batman: No buttons. I assume it works off concetration.

GL: How did you do that?

Batman: You weren't concentrating.

GL: You won't do that again.

Batman: Unless I want to.

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The problem with your argument is that some of the Marvel movies are down to earth (ie Cap 2) and some are more comic book. Are you saying that because Snyder made MoS as a more realistic movie he can't venture into a more comic world? What do you want? The Marvel movies are not perfectly intertwined. This is not MoS.

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But Cap 2 comfortably fits into the universe. It fact, it's the perfect kind of film. But that's the kind of world Marvel one where Thor, Iron Man and Cap can all inhabit the saem world seamlessly. Did the Cap 2 world fit with Avengers? Yes or No.

And yes, precisely because Snyder made a more realistic world he has a lot more challenges making something more comic booky: see the fights in MoS.

How are the Marvel movies not intertwined?

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Actually, there were multiple stories in that comic. Is it so hard to believe to characters can fight each other and then fight together? I seem to remember Iron Man and Thor going at it. Why? Because they're from different worlds, sound familiar?

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You're missing the point.

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Neither does SvB. If you have a problem with Batman not having an origin, fine. They really didn't have a choice. Batman has been done too much. If you want an origin, you will never be happy.

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Reading comprehension. You're saying that people are arguing because it doesn't match the comic book. That's not what people are saying. That's the "origin," as in "origin point of the story," not literal origin of Batman. Two different things.

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It just seems like no matter what happens, some people are never happy. The Hulk movies have been a failure as far as continuity and nobody complains. They throw a completely different Hulk into The Avengers (which was great) who can change at will. Nobody complains.

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First, Ang Lee's Hulk is a standalone Hulk. And that one was thoroughly panned despite it being a pretty good movie. Second, The Incredible Hulk was a good film for that world, it fits. ANd yes recasting Hulk is really non-critical. And TONS of people complained when Ruffalo was cast. He's too old. He's not fit enough. He doesn't look like Banner. Etc.

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I just don't get what would make some people happy.

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Then stop trying. The way that you argue it makes people MORE aggressive towards something you like. People are hard to please. Internet crowds, harder. People who like what someone is putting on screen? Impossible. This is the Wonder Woman Debate. Does it look better than people thought? Sure. But we still haven't seen the final puzzle. And no one will. You're taking the stance, and every argument, as if you know the movie is already high quality and awesome. Even though you're excited, BvS being a great film, or even a good film, is not a sure thing.

Be glad that you're excited but don't try to get other people to think it's a flawless film. That is a battle you can never win because even you don't know it's flawless.

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It's not that I don't think you could do a live action version of Batman where he can look, sort of, like he can be really useful physically in a universe with super-powered beings, but to do so you'd have to have him move and respond in an almost semi super-powered way as he seems to do in the comics/cartoons. As someone said earlier, Marvel has sort of pulled this off with Black Widow and Hawkeye. It could be done, but it would require a Batman we've never seen in a live action movie before.

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Then people need to move on and accept that this isn't the Nolan Batman or the Burton Batman. If you can suspend disbelief in the cartoon, why not here?

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But just pointing out that he beat Supes in TDKR and can function as the "brains" is not really an answer to a real question. I'm just worried about how it's going to translate...and I say this as a REAL fan of MoS and Snyder's in general...and I have no issues with Affleck at Bats.

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Why are you worried about how it'll translate?

That's kinda what I don't get here. Y'all need to drop this idea that this is the Batman of Nolan or Burton.

This is the comic version. He is basically superhuman.

And again, if this going to stay true to Snyder's MoS universe, I don't expect them to fight head on.

Didn't someone already come out and say that the title was Batman v Superman, not Batman vs Superman for a reason? I don't expect it to be so much of a "versus" as it is them testing each other to see if they can be trusted.

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But Cap 2 comfortably fits into the universe. It fact, it's the perfect kind of film. But that's the kind of world Marvel one where Thor, Iron Man and Cap can all inhabit the saem world seamlessly. Did the Cap 2 world fit with Avengers? Yes or No.

And yes, precisely because Snyder made a more realistic world he has a lot more challenges making something more comic booky: see the fights in MoS.

How are the Marvel movies not intertwined?

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So you admit it. Just because the movies are not like each other, they can still fit together.

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But Cap 2 comfortably fits into the universe. It fact, it's the perfect kind of film. But that's the kind of world Marvel one where Thor, Iron Man and Cap can all inhabit the saem world seamlessly. Did the Cap 2 world fit with Avengers? Yes or No.

And yes, precisely because Snyder made a more realistic world he has a lot more challenges making something more comic booky: see the fights in MoS.

How are the Marvel movies not intertwined?

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Now it comes out. The fact that Snyder is doing this means you will never be happy.

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How are the Marvel movies not intertwined?

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I gave an example of this with the Hulk movies.

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You're missing the point.

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Oh, please elaborate.

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Reading comprehension. You're saying that people are arguing because it doesn't match the comic book. That's not what people are saying. That's the "origin," as in "origin point of the story," not literal origin of Batman. Two different things.

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So what's wrong with the "origin" of the story?

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First, Ang Lee's Hulk is a standalone Hulk. And that one was thoroughly panned despite it being a pretty good movie. Second, The Incredible Hulk was a good film for that world, it fits. ANd yes recasting Hulk is really non-critical. And TONS of people complained when Ruffalo was cast. He's too old. He's not fit enough. He doesn't look like Banner. Etc.

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The continuity of the Hulk is very inconsistent.

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Then stop trying. The way that you argue it makes people MORE aggressive towards something you like. People are hard to please. Internet crowds, harder. People who like what someone is putting on screen? Impossible. This is the Wonder Woman Debate. Does it look better than people thought? Sure. But we still haven't seen the final puzzle. And no one will. You're taking the stance, and every argument, as if you know the movie is already high quality and awesome. Even though you're excited, BvS being a great film, or even a good film, is not a sure thing.

Be glad that you're excited but don't try to get other people to think it's a flawless film. That is a battle you can never win because even you don't know it's flawless.

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If people want to not like something I like, I don't give shite. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I like something based on what I see. I'm simply bringing up inconsistencies in peoples arguments.

I know it's not a sure thing. I like what I've seen so far. You don't, people don't, that's fine. But if someone is unfairly judging, IMO, I'm going to say something. I thought that was the point of these things?

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It isn't about Batman vs. Superman, that's used as a proxy to say that any villain good enough to give Superman a fight is going to smash Batman into orbit. Or it will look weird if he smashes Batman into orbit and it will look weird if he doesn't. (And this isn't to say that you can't be happy, but this the paradox created by a movie that is more grounded in reality.)

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Then don't expect Batman to take that enemy on in a direct battle.

If this is one of the biggest problems people have, do y'all also have issues with Lex Luthor as the villain? I mean, what exactly can he do to Superman? He is just a human.

The only legitimate argument that I've heard so far is the fact that Snyder had Superman kill Zod. He removed one of Superman's weaknesses and they will have to address that somehow in the new movie. How that will be done, I have no idea.

But the complaint that no one else can exist in this world alongside Superman or challenge him in any way is simply bunk.

And they are both HIGHLY intelligent.

As I said earlier, the weak have their own way of fighting. As the strong sharpen their fangs, the weak sharpen their minds.

This version of Superman isn't the insanely intelligent one.

This movie will have to be brains vs brawn.

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I believe synder has stated that the killing of Zod helps to build the Superman we know, it acts as a reminder of somewhere he never wants to go to again.

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It just needs to be made clear that he would never go there again, and I'm hoping that's how Batman tests him.

The problem, Scruffy, is that Snyder made a a non-comic book world. It was more grounded ala the Nolan Batman films (aside from Matrix tentacles at the end).

Also, 90% of your audience is non-comic book readers. So they have the Burton films, the Schumacher films, and the Nolan films. Burton, of the three seemed to have the best mix of realism while still retaining a definitive comic book vibe. But this version of Batman will be compared to Nolan's version, especially since Snyder's world in MOS seems comparable to Nolan's world.

If you are going to make Batman superhuman, they need to spell it out. If not, he should pretty much act as the other side of the coin to Luthor. Mega-wealthy person helping Superman instead of trying to kill him.

Also, the title is Batman v Superman. Is it an equally shared movie, or does one character take the lead over the other? You would think with Luthor being the villain, that Supes would be your main character, but who knows.

I just look at that clip and I see Batman looking like an Oompa-Loompa with that headgear and a I laugh because if his thought process is that the armor will protect him from Superman, after Superman basically destroyed Metropolis, then he isn't as smart as the comics say he is.