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re: San Diego Comic-Con Mega-Thread: Updates and Discussion
Posted on 7/27/14 at 9:15 am to Baloo
Posted on 7/27/14 at 9:15 am to Baloo
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We can't go back to the Batman who was reason-adjusted and worked well with the proper authorities. He's now the Dark Knight.
Why not?
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Posted on 7/27/14 at 9:42 am to Byron Bojangles III
For those complaining about the bat symbol, it's based on Frank Miller's version.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 9:42 am to abellsujr
By now we should all know everything about this Batman is based on Frank Miller's version 
Posted on 7/27/14 at 9:51 am to Byron Bojangles III
What's funny to me is, people complain about Superman and Batman fighting, and yet Iron Man and The Hulk are going to fight in AoU. They complain about Batman's bulky suit, yet Iron Man's suit is HUGE. They complain about stuff not coming from the comics and yet Snyder is pulling most of this stuff straight out of one of the most popular Batman comics in history. I'm convinced some people will never be happy.
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This post was edited on 7/27/14 at 10:04 am
Posted on 7/27/14 at 9:55 am to abellsujr
No the consensus is "DC sucks, marvel is the best" so the sheep roll with that
Posted on 7/27/14 at 10:13 am to abellsujr
Dam that teaser gave me chills! 
Batman about to frick up the Supes
Batman about to frick up the Supes
Posted on 7/27/14 at 10:15 am to abellsujr
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What's funny to me is, people complain about Superman and Batman fighting, and yet Iron Man and The Hulk are going to fight in AoU.
If you can't see the difference, I don't know what to tell you.
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They complain about Batman's bulky suit, yet Iron Man's suit is HUGE.
Iron Man is supposed to be a guy covered in a robotic suit. Batman, not so much.
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They complain about stuff not coming from the comics and yet Snyder is pulling most of this stuff straight out of one of the most popular Batman comics in history.
I don't get this one.
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I'm convinced some people will never be happy.
And I'm convince some people won't give up the "Everyone loves Marvel and NO ONE LOVES DC!"
Posted on 7/27/14 at 10:15 am to Byron Bojangles III
Guys... cmon. Why all the bickering?
Regarding Batman...
The idea/concept of Batman was never intended to exist in a universe with superpowers. I have the mindset that when Batman is placed in a Justice League type universe he changes and no longer follows the same mythos of the character. His skill set goes into a sort of hyperdrive. Sure the basic elements of his back story or the same.
I prefer the non-JL Batman, but bringing the right mind-set allows to also enjoy the JL version of Batman.
Regarding Batman...
The idea/concept of Batman was never intended to exist in a universe with superpowers. I have the mindset that when Batman is placed in a Justice League type universe he changes and no longer follows the same mythos of the character. His skill set goes into a sort of hyperdrive. Sure the basic elements of his back story or the same.
I prefer the non-JL Batman, but bringing the right mind-set allows to also enjoy the JL version of Batman.
This post was edited on 7/27/14 at 10:22 am
Posted on 7/27/14 at 10:17 am to schexyoung
He beat superman
Posted on 7/27/14 at 10:18 am to Byron Bojangles III
fricking owned Superman like the bitch he is.
People just don't like seeing normals win. Buncha racists.
People just don't like seeing normals win. Buncha racists.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 10:21 am to Freauxzen
quote:Please do. Hulk and Supes are equal in power, are they not?
If you can't see the difference, I don't know what to tell you.
quote:Who says, you. Again The Dark Knight Returns is one of the most popular comics of all time.
Iron Man is supposed to be a guy covered in a robotic suit. Batman, not so much.
quote:What have you seen from this that is not from The Dark Knight Returns?
I don't get this one.
quote:Yea, and you're one of them.
And I'm convince some people won't give up
Posted on 7/27/14 at 10:22 am to Scruffy
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fricking owned Superman like the bitch he is.
People just don't like seeing normals win. Buncha racists.
This is why I love Scruffy
Posted on 7/27/14 at 10:22 am to Byron Bojangles III
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No the consensus is "DC sucks, marvel is the best" so the sheep roll with that
I'm legitimately worried that GotG bombs, or at least isn't a success and proves Marvel to be choosing poorly while still being a critically acclaimed movie (apparently).
Ant-Man is now in some serious trouble with the two latest departures. Marvel got beat yesterday and had a fairly lackluster panel in comparison.
It's just Marvel has been hitting on more cylinders comparatively and isn't the one trying to catch up, which puts them in a different spot. Most people are at least content with what they have done.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 10:22 am to schexyoung
quote:Ideal to who, you? Again, TDKR is one of the most popular comics of all time. Not to mention he's in the JL.
The idea/concept of Batman was never intended to exist in a universe with superpowers.
This post was edited on 7/27/14 at 10:23 am
Posted on 7/27/14 at 10:23 am to Freauxzen
Posted on 7/27/14 at 10:32 am to abellsujr
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Please do. Hulk and Supes are equal in power, are they not?
Because Marvel has set up a world that is a Silver Age comic world, which emans laws are broken frequently. Which means things can happen that obviously can't happen. Black Widow has no super powers and took on the Hulk. This is ok in a world that resembles the comics directly. It makes sense, and even if it's a little goofy and fun, which it is, that's kind of the point.
Snyder's world is vastly different. He set up something dark and grounded in reality. The problem many people have with the fights in MoS is that they are not congruent with the world Snyder sets up. They are comic booky in a world that isn't comic booky.
Do you honestly think that whatever suit Batman wears, that he can withstand a punch into the atmosphere? Think about that; the rules have clearly set this up per Zod and Kal-El. The only thing that would save him is Krypton tech, according to the film. Superman was routinely destroying everything in sight, which is a problem for any fight Batman is involved in. So either:
1) The world will get more comic book-like in action sequences only
2) Every single thing Batman does will have to involve Kryptonite.
That's one of the core issues for me, the tone doesn't match up with the execution.
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Who says, you. Again The Dark Knight Returns is one of the most popular comics of all time.
This worked. For one story. In the future. As the basis of an entire universe, I just don't see it. You keep pointing this out, but Batman has existed long before and long after TDKR.
It's Iron Man's MO to build high-tech suits which vary in size and application. (Yes Batman does this he also has a space suit and underwater stuff, so there's that. But that's Bat Tech that isn't Batman as he's supposed to be).
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What have you seen from this that is not from The Dark Knight Returns?
And nobody is arguing that it isn't canon, or that it doesn't have an origin. That isn't the point.
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Yea, and you're one of them.
The only thing I'm not going to let up is you continually labeling anyone who has a critique about BvS as a "Marvel Fanboy." Or any comment of the "Well around here, everyone loves Marvel. No one loves DC." That crap is tired. Just let it go. This is a board. People critique things. It happens.
This post was edited on 7/27/14 at 10:34 am
Posted on 7/27/14 at 10:35 am to abellsujr
quote:This.
Ideal to who, you? Again, TDKR is one of the most popular comics of all time. Not to mention he's in the JL.
Think of him as the commander on a battlefield. He is the tactician.
The strong sharpen their fangs while the weak sharpen their minds.
Sure, they take it to the superhuman level at times, but with Batman, it is still the mental game he plays when it comes to supers.
As great of a job Nolan did with Batman, those movies fricked it up for the all of us because now, people can't seem to grasp that there are different variations of the character.
They want the "Nolan Batman".
Well, too fricking bad.
And The Dark Knight Rises sucked dick harder than Asa Akira.
This post was edited on 7/27/14 at 10:51 am
Posted on 7/27/14 at 10:41 am to Freauxzen
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This worked. For one story. In the future. As the basis of an entire universe, I just don't see it. You keep pointing this out, but Batman has existed long before and long after TDKR.
This.
Also, for most guys my age(27) and younger who haven't read any comics(guilty). Batman is the animated Kevin Conroy version. Not the DKR version. It is something I don't know if they considered going forward, but many fairly casual fans grew up with the cartoon being the definitive answer on the character. It is what many expect to see, and they need the casual/slightly fanboy audience for this to succeed.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 10:44 am to Freauxzen
That is what I tried to point out yesterday. In MOS they move and fight so fast, it reminds you of the The Matrix at the end, when Neo is basically having a beer while fighting Agent Smith. Humans stand absolutely no chance against any Kryptonian the way they set it up in MOS. A metal suit isn't going to protect Batman, the way they ripped through ships, and buildings, and vehicles.
The only way, as you said and I said yesterday, is if he is wearing kryptonite underwear. That involves a whole host of other problems as kryptonite hasn't been introduced in Snyder's grounded reality (the ship scene kind of indirectly made a link).
I watched the DKR comic yesterday, and that comic does not fit with Snyder's world imo. He has a young superman, a young wonder woman, a young aquaman, and a young cyborg. Then he has a veteran Batman. If he is following the DKR returns it doesn't make sense because part of what made it interesting is the history that is alluded to between the two. In the new movie they have no history, unless they are fast-forwarding, which would make MOS pointless.
I was a fan of MOS. It had problems, but I will watch it over Dark Knight Rises, IM3, IM2, or either Thor movies. Snyder did alot of things right, and I know part of the point of the movie was to show Superman truly being Superman on screen. The problem is that has created a world where humans are essentially ants, and Batman looks silly in that world.
The only way, as you said and I said yesterday, is if he is wearing kryptonite underwear. That involves a whole host of other problems as kryptonite hasn't been introduced in Snyder's grounded reality (the ship scene kind of indirectly made a link).
I watched the DKR comic yesterday, and that comic does not fit with Snyder's world imo. He has a young superman, a young wonder woman, a young aquaman, and a young cyborg. Then he has a veteran Batman. If he is following the DKR returns it doesn't make sense because part of what made it interesting is the history that is alluded to between the two. In the new movie they have no history, unless they are fast-forwarding, which would make MOS pointless.
I was a fan of MOS. It had problems, but I will watch it over Dark Knight Rises, IM3, IM2, or either Thor movies. Snyder did alot of things right, and I know part of the point of the movie was to show Superman truly being Superman on screen. The problem is that has created a world where humans are essentially ants, and Batman looks silly in that world.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 10:50 am to Boss
I think y'all are also making the assumption that Superman wouldn't hold back.
Honestly though, I don't expect the head on fight from TDKR to take place. I expect Batman to test him some other way. Something to see how far Superman would go in a situation.
There is no reason for the head on fight to take place like it did at the end of TDKR, considering the whole reason behind that fight was to fake his death and disappear.
Honestly though, I don't expect the head on fight from TDKR to take place. I expect Batman to test him some other way. Something to see how far Superman would go in a situation.
There is no reason for the head on fight to take place like it did at the end of TDKR, considering the whole reason behind that fight was to fake his death and disappear.
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