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re: Rolling Stone: Can the Best of Star Wars Survive the Worst of Its Fans?
Posted on 8/24/24 at 3:21 pm to Roaad
Posted on 8/24/24 at 3:21 pm to Roaad
Tony Gilroy is a good writer so unless they start noting him to death and pressing down on him with studio interference Andor should continue to be strong. Now it shouldn’t be but that’s a big if, I wouldn’t put it past Disney to ruin this show. Let Gilroy do his thing, keep Filoni, KK and the other idiots far away from this show,
This post was edited on 8/24/24 at 3:22 pm
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Posted on 8/24/24 at 3:22 pm to biglego
quote:So much easier this way
CT Jones is a Culture Writer at Rolling Stone, where she covers the creator economy, internet trends, entertainment and health misinformation. Before joining Rolling Stone, she was a freelance culture writer and breaking news reporter. Her work has appeared in MEL Magazine, CBS News, Vox, Vulture, and more.
This post was edited on 8/24/24 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 8/24/24 at 3:25 pm to Madking
quote:I mean. . .Hedland wrote Russian Dolls season 1, which was absolutely fricking great.
Tony Gilroy is a good writer so unless they start noting him to death and pressing down on him with studio interference Andor should continue to be strong. Now it shouldn’t be but that’s a big if, I wouldn’t put it past Disney to ruin this show. Let Gilroy do his thing, keep Filoni, KK and the other idiots far away from this show,
I find it difficult to believe she forgot how to write between then and "The Acolyte"
This has "Disney Notes" written all over it.
Posted on 8/24/24 at 4:00 pm to Roaad
Yeah the Disney note was to be as gay as you want and she said "super gay".
Posted on 8/24/24 at 4:38 pm to Roaad
She gets credit for 15 episodes of Russian Doll but Leone and Poehler also wrote 15 episodes a piece so as has been reported before she’s getting the credit for other peoples writing.
Posted on 8/24/24 at 5:24 pm to Al Opecia
quote:Ah the Ol’ “if you’re against it, you must be gay!” to try and make actual homophobes be quiet. Come up with new material
If you wake up thinking about gayness and go to bed thinking about gayness, you are a gay man or woman.
Posted on 8/24/24 at 5:41 pm to Madking
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She gets credit for 15 episodes of Russian Doll but Leone and Poehler also wrote 15 episodes a piece so as has been reported before she’s getting the credit for other peoples writing.
Everything here is wrong. You read some bad "reporting". There were not 45 episodes of Russian Doll. There are 15 total. She created the show with Lyonne and Poehler. Headland was the showrunner for season 1, the universally beloved season, in which she wrote and directed a couple of the episodes. She does and should get credit for that season being great. She created and steered the show.
Lyonne took over showrunning for season 2, likely because Headland was working on Acolyte. Headland was apparently still involved with the development of season 2, though she did not write or direct an episode.
Posted on 8/24/24 at 6:14 pm to Jay Are
I didn’t say there were 45, I provided the writing credits for each episode all three were given credit for which amounts to all 15 episodes of the series. Headland is credited for episodes that Lyonne and Poehler actually wrote. Vulture confirmed that Headland only co-wrote on 3 of the S1 episodes and the LA times reported that while it isn’t an autobiography, the show is a personal story about Lyonne.
This post was edited on 8/24/24 at 6:19 pm
Posted on 8/25/24 at 3:57 am to Henry Jones Jr
quote:I am convinced people who make this argument are sexually fetishizing the opposition.
Ah the Ol’ “if you’re against it, you must be gay!” to try and make actual homophobes be quiet. Come up with new material
Because they only make this logical fallacy in this specific situation.
-If you are against pedophiles, you must be a pedophile!!!!
-If you are against loud motorcycles, you must be a loud motorcycle!!!!
-Oh, you don't like having a rock in your shoe? You must be a rock in your shoe!!!
TIL Garfield literally is Mondays
Posted on 8/25/24 at 9:06 am to Proximo
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The problem with their woke gay agenda is they want to lift these “inclusive” characters above everything that came before them
That's because the brunt of their idea of "good storytelling" is promoting their agenda. That's it's. It's not about the main character's personal growth, the hero's journey, etc, it's about creating a character they identify with and making them powerful and beloved by other characters, and using them to defeat representatives of ideas/philosophies they do not like.
At the same time, they are so mired in their own echo chamber ("pale and male is stale," for example) that they don't understand their storytelling is off-putting to a majority of people. It then bewilders them when their projects fail miserably.
It's become as predictable as the tides.
Posted on 8/25/24 at 9:35 am to RLDSC FAN
Posted on 8/25/24 at 10:12 am to rebelrouser
I was 11 when Star Wars came out. All three movies were seismic cultural events, and we had all the toys, comics, Halloween costumes etc etc…
but honestly if there were never any more Star Wars content after that I’d have been fine with it. I just don’t think there is a clamor for more Star Wars out there like I think Disney assumes. So if there IS more, it needs to be something relatable to the originals. If it isn’t just call it something else I guess.
It sure seems to me that this whole drama around disneys new content is manufactured outrage over subpar storytelling. None of what I’ve seen (two of the sequel movies, solo and kenobi) has been even remotely good compared to the OG
but honestly if there were never any more Star Wars content after that I’d have been fine with it. I just don’t think there is a clamor for more Star Wars out there like I think Disney assumes. So if there IS more, it needs to be something relatable to the originals. If it isn’t just call it something else I guess.
It sure seems to me that this whole drama around disneys new content is manufactured outrage over subpar storytelling. None of what I’ve seen (two of the sequel movies, solo and kenobi) has been even remotely good compared to the OG
Posted on 8/25/24 at 10:46 am to Jay Are
quote:And it was a complete mess
Lyonne took over showrunning for season 2
Posted on 8/25/24 at 10:53 am to cgrand
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I was 11 when Star Wars came out. All three movies were seismic cultural events, and we had all the toys, comics, Halloween costumes etc etc…
but honestly if there were never any more Star Wars content after that I’d have been fine with it. I just don’t think there is a clamor for more Star Wars out there like I think Disney assumes. So if there IS more, it needs to be something relatable to the originals. If it isn’t just call it something else I guess.
It sure seems to me that this whole drama around disneys new content is manufactured outrage over subpar storytelling. None of what I’ve seen (two of the sequel movies, solo and kenobi) has been even remotely good compared to the OG
Disney performed transgender surgery on star wars. Star wars is inseparable from certain themes and story elements yet Disney SURGICALLY removed those parts and put on radical feminist body parts and wanted people to love it exactly the same.
It's stupid.
Posted on 8/25/24 at 11:06 am to blueboy
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If it was a truly good show, no amount of trolls or YouTube streamers could cause it to become cancelled. That's absurd. The fact that they expect people to believe this just proves how clueless they are.
This, as always, is the real issue.
These execs and show runners are completely obsessed with subverting the traditional good/evil mechanisms of the OT. The problem is they aren't skilled enough to do it particularly well, and they destroy the mythos in the process (because they don't know/care about it).
Subversion and ignoring fit within the universe are the recurring themes in why these attempts continue to fail. The ones who are at least adequate in one and solid in the other do well.
At the end of the day, if they had the creative chops, they wouldn't need to use the Star Wars IP to tell their stories.
Posted on 8/25/24 at 11:08 am to Bard
quote:
That's because the brunt of their idea of "good storytelling" is promoting their agenda. That's it's. It's not about the main character's personal growth, the hero's journey, etc, it's about creating a character they identify with and making them powerful and beloved by other characters, and using them to defeat representatives of ideas/philosophies they do not like.
Posted on 8/25/24 at 1:25 pm to RLDSC FAN
SIAP-
Lando was black if I recall correctly. He was an integral and beloved part of the original trilogy. Not only was he black, he was a boss. A black boss. If all the Star Wars traditionalists are racists, why do they like Lando so much?
Lando was black if I recall correctly. He was an integral and beloved part of the original trilogy. Not only was he black, he was a boss. A black boss. If all the Star Wars traditionalists are racists, why do they like Lando so much?
Posted on 8/25/24 at 2:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
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These execs and show runners are completely obsessed with subverting the traditional good/evil mechanisms of the OT. The problem is they aren't skilled enough to do it particularly well, and they destroy the mythos in the process (because they don't know/care about it).
This is a massive problem for a lot of projects in Hollywood. So many people want to be subversive but lack the writing or directing skills to execute. Part of the problem I feel is when people want to criticize it as being woke, that gives the opposite side the opportunity to deflect by saying the people that dislike it only do so because female/minority.
I know it is hyperbolic but I really feel like 90% of Hollywood is lacking serious talent and creativity. I tend to find way more interesting and creative content on social media platforms than actual Hollywood studios.
Posted on 8/25/24 at 3:02 pm to ThoseGuys
quote:When I read subversive or subverting expectations in today’s Hollywood I think, “What does the audience want? Let’s do the opposite. That’ll show ‘em.”
So many people want to be subversive but lack the writing or directing skills to execute.
To me it has nothing to do with the other stuff. They think they’re smarter than the audience and as you said, they lack the talent to actually write or create truly subversive and engaging material. I’d love to sit down with one of these morons and let them show me how much smarter they are.
Posted on 8/25/24 at 3:08 pm to blueboy
quote:
it was a truly good show, no amount of trolls or YouTube streamers could cause it to become cancelled. That's absurd. The fact that they expect people to believe this just proves how clueless they are.
Barbie was pretty ham fisted and definitely stuck to “the message” and made a billion dollars.
Because… despite the valid complaints and rantings of the man-o-sphere, it was well made movie with talented likeable actors.
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