re: Rings of Power Readers/Lore thread, NOT Episode- SPOILERS EVERYWHERE!

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What's going to happen is that Galadriel and the Numenoreans are going to defeat Adar and his orcs, and Season 1 will end with them actually crowning Sauron (aka Halbrand) as king over Mordor.

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Understanding what is going to happen at the end of Season 1 also helps us to understand what is happening with Galadriel.

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Just want to clarify here as this is your opinion as to the thread is established to talk about the lore and how the direction of the show could go based on the lore.

Do not mind speculating on what may happen just want to clarify.

The complete storyline for season 1 is already out. The Nerdrotic podcast has talked about it multiple times. They go into the full details of episode 6 in yesterday's podcast.

The big thing still missing in the first season, is the Silvan Elves. I went an looked some stuff up, because I had forgotten a good bit of detail.

As stated, the show must stay true to LOTR.
The Battle of Dagorlad must be done, because that's how we get the Dead Marshes.
These are the Sindar of Lorien and Mirkwood, including the kings of both, who would not fight alongside the Noldor of Gil Galad.

Tracking back, these kings are Sindar, coming from Beleriand. But the realms are Silvan, they never went to Beleriand it the first place.

I read back up and confirmed... Galadriel and Celeborn first come to Lorien, after escaping the fall of Eregion. They travel through Moria (Khazad Dum) to do so.

At this time, Lorien has a king, named Amdir. He dies at Dagorlad. His son Amroth becomes King, it's stated that he is lost in the Third Age (Amroth and Nimrodel). Celeborn and Galadriel become the Lord and Lady of Lorien, but don't take king/queen titles.

Per what I've read up, the Balrog awakening is what causes Nimrodel to flee Lorien, and Amroth follows her (and they are lost). Celeborn and Galadriel do not take leadership of Lorien until then.

Given that we see a Balrog in this, it's a good chance those events happen in conjunction, per the 'real' timeline would happen after the Last Alliance. If they follow that, then perhaps THAT is the final big event of the show. I could see them changing that, to put it earlier, for dramatic purposes. It comes down to a matter of "what" vs "when".

Looking further- battles of Eregion;
Celeborn leads the army of Eregion that joins with the army from Lindon, led by Elrond. This makes Elrond and Celeborn co-equal 'generals'. They lose, but survive.

This places Celeborn (and Galadriel) in Eregion, when the war starts.

So, Galadriel either meets Celeborn before, or at Eregion, in this show. And he's going to be a warrior, who matches her fighting spirit.

One other thing of note- Galadriel is stated to have sensed the 'awakening of evil' early in the Second Age, and she felt duty-bound to oppose it. That seems to be where they are drawing her current "must get Sauron" motivation from.

Scoob dropping knowledge In here. Love to see it. If I recall correctly, doesn’t Amdir make some poor judgement call which leads to his (and his army’s) downfall?

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doesn’t Amdir make some poor judgement call which leads to his (and his army’s) downfall?

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Yes

he and Oropher (the Woodland/Mirkwood Elves) don't want to listen to Gil Galad.

They are Sindar, both from Beleriand non-Noldor realms. Oropher is from Doriath, I can't remember if Amdir is from there, or from Ossiriand.
The bulk of their people are Elves that never crossed into Beleriand, had always been where they are (never involved in the wars of the First Age).

Gil Galad and Elendil are gathering all their resources for the big push (Dagorlad). Amdir and Oropher do not wait on them, they jump to attack without backup.
The forces of the Noldor and Dunedain arrive very late to the fight, as a result. They do win the field, eventually... but Amdir and Oropher are both dead, and most of their forces too.
Hence, the Dead Marshes (dead Elves and such) are the forces of Amdir and Oropher, a tragedy that could have been averted if they had waited, and joined with the others.

That's why I keep harping on the importance of introducing the Silvan realms, which have not yet been seen. They have to have that event, and you'd want to show reasons why they wouldn't join the Noldor.
The resentment of the Noldor by the Sindar, would seem to be an obvious choice.

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So, Galadriel either meets Celeborn before, or at Eregion, in this show. And he's going to be a warrior, who matches her fighting spirit.

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I wish they would have followed the Lore here but I understand they are making her to be some super warrior and if the Lore was followed she could not be portrayed as such.

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Quite honestly, Galadriel being a warrior neither follows, nor contradicts, any actual written evidence.

Simply put, while she is prominent in LOTR and the Third Age, there's very little concerning her beforehand.

We do know:
she's very highborn. Every one of her brothers ruled a kingdom. Tolkien uses traditional male line of succession rules, or she'd likely be the high queen of the Noldor.

She's initially feisty. She tells Feanor to go frick himself regarding his request for a strand of her hair. Feanor is arrogant, but come on, he asked for a hair.

She goes to Middle Earth with the desire to rule her own realm, and to counter Feanor.

There's very little mention of her after; she does go to Doriath while Melian and Thingol are still there. Gives some (but not complete) account of the Kinslaying to Melian.

That's it for the First Age.

At some point, she meets Celeborn and becomes lovers. I think it's First Age, but more implied than stated. They don't do anything that makes it into stories.

Daughter Celebrian is born, some suggestion near Lake Evendim. That's her (and Celeborn's) ties to that area.

Celeborn leads Celebrimbor's armies from Eregion, and Galadriel 1) doesn't trust Annatar, 2) receives a Ring.
That's her (and Celeborn's) ties to Eregion and Celebrimbor.
Why SHE gets the Ring, and not Celeborn... not really spelled out. Major assumption is because of her bloodline; she's Noldor, he is Sindar. But that's what amps her power above the others.

By the time of the Third Age, she's basically the last Noldor left alive, who had lived in Valinor. That's mostly due to attrition, but it does elevate her status above the others. Book says there are some others, only Glorfindel is named. *Glorfindel becomes an issue, since an Elf with that name died fighting Balrogs in Gondolin. Tolkien writes (after the fact) that he was sent back from Valinor, instead of there being 2 Glorfindels. He never makes the transition to movies.

While there are no writings saying she was a warrior, there really aren't any saying she wasn't. Basic assumption is that didn't fit Tolkien's worldview, males did the fighting and females stayed behind to watch the property.
The interjection of Eowyn of Rohan, breaking that mold, shows Tolkien at least considered the concept of female warriors. Eowyn, like Galadriel, was high-born and important, and she chafed at being left behind while the Men fought wars to decide their fate.
The concept that Galadriel would have a similar attitude, thus, isn't without some precedent. You could say Galadriel should be even more 'strongwilled' than Eowyn... she does the talking when the Fellowship comes to Lorien, Celeborn is barely mentioned. He just wants to speak with Gandalf.

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Sorta seems like they made Galadriel a 'commander', to better convey that she is "duty-bound" to oppose Sauron.

Makes little sense if a hand-maiden or princess thinks Sauron is rising, while the generals etc all think everything is good. Why listen to her? Intuition? You don't go to war on that.

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I could buy it if she was not so brash. I do not even mind her being a warrior/commander as I would think many Elves with her age have had to fight at some point and have garnered respect of their peers. But her character in the show is more in tune with a boot LT just coming in from the academy.

Also, for anyone interested, today is Bilbo and Frodo Baggins birthday.

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Also, for anyone interested, today is Bilbo and Frodo Baggins birthday.

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No, it’s not. Sept 22 is their birthday.

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It could be it posted from the UK

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I guess