re: Rings of Power Readers/Lore thread, NOT Episode- SPOILERS EVERYWHERE!

This is like total nerd fest. How the frick do you all remember all these peoples names and places?

I basically know Calebrimbor or however you spell it from a video game. Elrond because he’s agent smith and Isildur because the way agent smith says it in lotr.

And a few places like middle earth, Mordor and the mines of Moria.

Well some of us remember better than others…(hanging my head in nerd shame)

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How do people remember secondary characters from comic books, or random quotes from a movie?

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I don’t on secondary characters, I literally know the characters that are the main all the way through. that’s what I’m saying. And quotes from a movie? We’ll probably because I watched it 100 times.

But these are obscure names and places. It’s not like quoting joe dirt.

I did watch the lotr triology again before this came out, not sure I could with the hobbit.

So like I did pick up on ithril because bilbo gave him the chain mail or whatever.

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The material in Tolkien's world does not change,

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Unless Amazon is in charge. JK Sorry had to

In all fairness I never big on reading growing up but the things I like, Tolkien, I remember and like you I remember the story but some details have escaped me over the years.

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Well are there other books Tolkien actually wrote? Or is it sort of history books other people pieces together based on his works?

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Well we have a good portion of Tolkien’s notes that are either no longer canon or loosely canon. It’s pretty much the most extensively written universe ever. There’s probably close to 10,000 pages of Tolkien we have in his universe. Some of it is up for interpretation, others are not. A lot of these notes were compiled by his son Christopher in “The Book of Lost Tales” and I haven’t read all of those, but it is very intricate.

And I’m not knocking you guys, it’s actually impressive. I use nerd fest as more endearing. I just watched 3 episodes of andor. So I’m there with you.

I had just watched the triology and you were talking about some of the diff men and I had to go look up the actors who played them to remember who was who again and be like , oh yeah he was great. Like Bernard hill.

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Well are there other books Tolkien actually wrote? Or is it sort of history books other people pieces together based on his works?

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Well we have a good portion of Tolkien’s notes that are either no longer canon or loosely canon. It’s pretty much the most extensively written universe ever. There’s probably close to 10,000 pages of Tolkien we have in his universe. Some of it is up for interpretation, others are not. A lot of these notes were compiled by his son Christopher in “The Book of Lost Tales” and I haven’t read all of those, but it is very intricate.

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It's kind of both angles... the very vast majority is only known, because it was edited and published by others... but "others" was his son Christopher, and the Estate. And it wasn't casual inference of his intentions, JRR had tons of notes and half-written manuscripts laying about, that he constantly would go back and edit or tweak.

Christopher gathered all this work up, and did his best to hammer out a coherent history and timeline of this fantasy world, so that us fans could have access to the tremendous amount of detail and backstory. A literal creation myth (technically going back to pre-creation)... he doesn't just give us God and the angels creating the world, he gives us details on all the main angels before they even get started. In doing so, he creates an Olympian pantheon, that fits perfectly within a One God mythos. -that's no small feat

Some of the quibbles are that revisions had been made, character lineages sometimes changed, sometimes from the most complete texts, to the little inferences that trickled down to LOTR. So depending on WHAT work you read, it might detail a character slightly differently= Tolkien might have more actual written text that could be later transcribed, but it wouldn't quite mesh with what we initially knew.

It's a practical impossibility to make a tv show 100% accurate, because 1- there's those small details that sometimes pop up, and 2- there's such a broad timeline, and huge amount of details, you simply can't push it across. And at some points, if you did, it might not make the tightest and most dramatic 1, or 3, or 50 hrs of live viewing.
Numenor= it lasts over 3000 years, we're getting it's finale.

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I don’t on secondary characters, I literally know the characters that are the main all the way through. that’s what I’m saying. And quotes from a movie? We’ll probably because I watched it 100 times.

But these are obscure names and places. It’s not like quoting joe dirt.

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You into comics? If I said Perry White wrote an editorial on the decay of mainstream culture, citing quotes from Jim Gordon (with photographs courtesy of James Olsen), and inserted past individuals such as Steve Trevor as examples of what we should strive to be, would you be able to follow, identify the property etc? And could you tell me if said editorial would be published in the Bugle, and if not, why?

If you can do that, you can do Tolkien. Just requires the same amount of commitment.

Happy Hobbit Day!!