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Posted on 4/3/17 at 4:55 pm to Soup Sammich
They were negotiating over the number of something during the scene with Carl and Rick kneeling. I'm guessing Negan offered them a certain amount of guns. Either that, or they were negotiating over how long the leader of the GPK could have her way with Rick.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 4:56 pm to UpToPar
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Unless they are shooting at walkers. Then they make headshots with pistols at 30 yards on the move.
Also t was mentioned last night, but the tiger knew who the enemy was apparently.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 4:58 pm to Cow Drogo
Enjoyed the episode. Season certainly had its faults but there was enough good to keep me watching.
One thing that needs to be said: Carl was a bad arse with his no hesitation reaction when the Sasha Zombie appeared. He took out a few guys and briefly gave the Alexandrians a chance at gaining the upper hand. Obviously they got overtaken quickly somehow, but you still have to hand it to Carl this episode.
One thing that needs to be said: Carl was a bad arse with his no hesitation reaction when the Sasha Zombie appeared. He took out a few guys and briefly gave the Alexandrians a chance at gaining the upper hand. Obviously they got overtaken quickly somehow, but you still have to hand it to Carl this episode.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 5:10 pm to LSU Patrick
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Yeah. Do what I say, or I will bash your head in. That's really fair.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 5:13 pm to UpToPar
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They were negotiating over the number of something
people
first 12 then 10
evidently they wanted slaves/servants/whatever
Posted on 4/3/17 at 5:16 pm to AlxTgr
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Better at being a murdering tyrant? Sure.
They killed Negan's people first.
Negan had no choice But to retaliate or else he would look weak.
The saviors have a set of rules they live by and adhere to those rules. Whatever it was broken, like the guy who tried to rape Sasha, he is met with swift and severe punishment.
The Saviors remind me a bit of the Mongols.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 5:20 pm to UpToPar
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Negan and Rick are not that different, it's just that their stories are told from two different prospectives. Sure, Negan is certainly cruel with his punishments, but he is a man of rules. He makes it very clear at the outset the "rules of the game" and, thus far, has followed them. The punishment for breaking those rules is severe, but you know what you are getting into when you choose to break the rules.
How is Negan telling the three communities to give up your shite or I will kill your people any different than what Rick and Co. just did to Seaside with the guns? What about the demands Rick and Co. made when they first got to Alexandria?
If this story had started following the saviors, we would likely be viewing Rick and Co. much differently.
This guy gets it.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 5:23 pm to UpToPar
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It depends on what you consider "part of the group." If you mean Rick's inner circle, then sure. But, if you mean one of the random Alexandrians, I think Rick would sacrifice one of them at the drop of a hat if it meant saving one of his own, just as Negan would
He would burn their face with an iron if they questioned his leadership? I think not. Rick, just like the others has had to do things that go against his values, but he has gelt remorse about it and has done so for what he though was best for the greater good. You mentioned Carol. Remember "look at the flowers?"
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We have to remember we are in a zombie apocalypse. Dictatorships are naturally going to happen and Rick has not exactly been the beacon of democracy at times.
Again, Rick has had to do things he didn't like in order to help him and his family survive. His group made him the leader. They have questioned some of his choices, but they still followed him. Negan was likely the kid that tortured animals and spent his adolescence in juvie. The environment of the post apocaliptal world simply made manipulation and ruling by fear easier.
Negan is an interesting and entertaining character. It seems like you are rationalizing his behavior to make him more likable. That's understandable, but even in the zombie world, Rick is good and Negan bad. They are very different.
This post was edited on 4/3/17 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 4/3/17 at 5:44 pm to cgrand
quote:Yes. That's what Gabriel was doing for them when Rick first met them. He was a kind of slave to them.
evidently they wanted slaves/servants/whatever
Posted on 4/3/17 at 6:38 pm to LSU Patrick
Rick is good about dealing with walkers.
But when it comes to people Rick needs to mind his own damn business.
What was wrong with the governor's town?
What is wrong with the way the Saviors run things?
In the apocalypse you have all kinds of new paradigms arise.
Why is Rick's way the only "right" way?
But when it comes to people Rick needs to mind his own damn business.
What was wrong with the governor's town?
What is wrong with the way the Saviors run things?
In the apocalypse you have all kinds of new paradigms arise.
Why is Rick's way the only "right" way?
Posted on 4/3/17 at 7:04 pm to fr33manator
Rick doesn't throw out his arms in welcome before murdering several non-threatening people, like the Governor, nor does he usurp other men's wives like Negan.
Rick's leadership doesn't have the crazy Napoleon quality that others do. In short, he's corrupted by the world in which he lives, but he hasn't gone apeshit over it.
Rick's leadership doesn't have the crazy Napoleon quality that others do. In short, he's corrupted by the world in which he lives, but he hasn't gone apeshit over it.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 8:33 pm to blueboy
I like dark Rick. Gritty Rick.
Perhaps I've seen too many seasons with him waffling back and forth between strong and weak.
I had a particular soft spot for characters like the Govenor and Neagn.
Strong, hard leaders.
Fierce men. Warlords.
It would take men like those to rebuild the world.
Maybe I just don't like quite a few of Rick's posse. I don't know.
Perhaps I've seen too many seasons with him waffling back and forth between strong and weak.
I had a particular soft spot for characters like the Govenor and Neagn.
Strong, hard leaders.
Fierce men. Warlords.
It would take men like those to rebuild the world.
Maybe I just don't like quite a few of Rick's posse. I don't know.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 8:36 pm to UpToPar
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how long the leader of the GPK could have her way with Rick.
Why would she even say this knowing that there would be know "after"? thats the kind of lazy writing that bothers me.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 9:15 pm to Hester Carries
Maybe if Rick would have said yes she wouldn't have betrayed him
Posted on 4/3/17 at 9:19 pm to dawgfan24348
Episode was OK.
The garbage pail kids are so incredibly lame.
It hasn't been a generation or 3 how the frick do they not know how to speak or understand basic decorum?
And how did the tiger know the good guys from the bad?
The garbage pail kids are so incredibly lame.
It hasn't been a generation or 3 how the frick do they not know how to speak or understand basic decorum?
And how did the tiger know the good guys from the bad?
Posted on 4/3/17 at 9:42 pm to SG_Geaux
I enjoyed the outcome of the episode.
Betrayal, wise-cracks, self sacrifice, unlimited ammo, Tigers mauling, chick fights, Eugene speeches, talk of sexy time, Abraham, Darryl grunting, Carol shooting, Morgan stabbing, coral getting 14 shots out of a six shooter, jesus.. um... jesusing..
Did I think there was too much flashback bull shite dialogue? Indeed.
Am I amazed that no one important died? Kinda.
But hell... it's a TV show. And the only thing real are the zombies (no make up is that good, those are totes paid zombie actors)
Next season will be fun. And you will watch.
Betrayal, wise-cracks, self sacrifice, unlimited ammo, Tigers mauling, chick fights, Eugene speeches, talk of sexy time, Abraham, Darryl grunting, Carol shooting, Morgan stabbing, coral getting 14 shots out of a six shooter, jesus.. um... jesusing..
Did I think there was too much flashback bull shite dialogue? Indeed.
Am I amazed that no one important died? Kinda.
But hell... it's a TV show. And the only thing real are the zombies (no make up is that good, those are totes paid zombie actors)
Next season will be fun. And you will watch.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 10:14 pm to fr33manator
quote:bullshite. They serve themselves and their own cult of ego, and then everything dies. Do you really think that Negan's protection racket would go on indefinitely in a world of dwindling resources? Eventually, the servant states would run out of food and supplies and no amount of head whacking would change that.
It would take men like those to rebuild the world.
The Maggies of the world are the ones to save humanity. They know agriculture. Killing walkers and maintaining order are all well and good, but unless you can create food on a regular basis, all of that falls away.
BTW, I've been wondering, and I'm sure the show will never address it, but what would happen if Maggie or any other pregnant woman had a miscarriage? Would the fetus eat its way out and kill the mother, turning her into a walker? In this newly primitive world, infant mortality like that would seem to be a real problem.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 10:25 pm to fr33manator
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Posted on 4/3/17 at 10:42 pm to fr33manator
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Strong, hard leaders.
Fierce men. Warlords.
It would take men like those to rebuild the world
Rebuild what, society? Negan is the antithesis of society. He is a sadistic, narcissistic, antisocial pussy. Like all psychopaths, his brutality is merely a compensation for his fear that he will be left alone or be enslaved himself if he doesn't control them. Without others to steal from or provide for him, he is nothing. He is no warlord in any sense, and he is certainly no pioneer. He is the perfect villain.
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