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re: Official Star Wars Episode 9 Discussion SPOILERS thread
Posted on 12/23/19 at 11:05 am to Scoob
Posted on 12/23/19 at 11:05 am to Scoob
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Palpatine is Sauron, and Exegol is his One Ring. Anakin never knew about it, so while he did indeed kill the Emperor in ROTJ, he didn't extinguish the source of his power (or his repository).
Well, your first point is just wrong.
Kylo went and got the first map to Exegol at Vader's palace on Mustafar.
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Posted on 12/23/19 at 11:05 am to Scoob
All of that mumbo jumbo is convoluted and absurd. You’re proving my point for me.
So I have to come up with head canon to explain why the nonsensical garbage actually makes sense and is very smart? What is this, the Q thread?
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I think you do have to do a lot of the processing yourself, and try to connect the dots more than normal:
So I have to come up with head canon to explain why the nonsensical garbage actually makes sense and is very smart? What is this, the Q thread?
This post was edited on 12/23/19 at 11:08 am
Posted on 12/23/19 at 11:15 am to Draconian Sanctions
So thinking about a movie is now a bad thing. 
2020 is going to be a good year.
2020 is going to be a good year.
Posted on 12/23/19 at 11:16 am to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:Right, missed that.quote:
Palpatine is Sauron, and Exegol is his One Ring. Anakin never knew about it, so while he did indeed kill the Emperor in ROTJ, he didn't extinguish the source of his power (or his repository).
Well, your first point is just wrong.
Kylo went and got the first map to Exegol at Vader's palace on Mustafar.
Doesn't break the Palpatine/Sauron analogy, but Vader was clearly out of the loop re all of Palpatine's plans and the use of Force Heal to revive the dead.
Like I said, if Vader learned this power, Star Wars would be The Mummy. Padme would be back, even if Vader had to kill everyone on a planet to get the necessary life-force.
Posted on 12/23/19 at 11:26 am to Draconian Sanctions
Look, I really don't like the choice of bringing Palpatine back to be the big bad, but I fail to see how it is that outlandish in a universe where we fully accept Jedi force ghosts are a thing.
Posted on 12/23/19 at 11:31 am to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:I know you troll most of the time, but we're in agreement here
So thinking about a movie is now a bad thing.
This is a series, things are supposed to fit within the series. But it doesn't have to be obvious or blatant. Some of the better things to experience is to see something, say "how in the hell can that happen?", and then figure out that it could indeed make perfect sense.
This wasn't a perfect movie, but it was fun, it felt more in line with the older series, and if you explore it, it does at least not go against a lot of what was established. It ties stuff together more.
Luke and Vader were not erased; if not for them Palpatine is still running the Empire. Sure, the Rebellion killed the second Death Star, but you needed Luke to kill the first (otherwise there is no need for the 2nd). That can not be erased.
And with that, Palp never leaves Corsuscant, and the Rebellion is snuffed out.
So you need a Skywalker to end the Jedi, flush out Palpatine and the Sith, and make them open and vulnerable.
Posted on 12/23/19 at 11:33 am to RollTide1987
Why did Kylo die when healing Rey but Rey didn’t when healing Kylo?
Posted on 12/23/19 at 11:37 am to Cap Crunch
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Look, I really don't like the choice of bringing Palpatine back to be the big bad, but I fail to see how it is that outlandish in a universe where we fully accept Jedi force ghosts are a thing.
I mean, besides it invalidating the OT and PT stories?
Posted on 12/23/19 at 11:40 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Trevorrow was going to have Matt Smith as the big bad, as the son of the head inquisitor. Then it was changed because Disney felt that not enough people knew who the Inquisitor was.
Posted on 12/23/19 at 11:51 am to GoCrazyAuburn
Which is why I don't like the choice to bring him back, but I don't have any problem with how they did it.
Posted on 12/23/19 at 11:52 am to meeple
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Half in the Bag review is out!
Watched it and they’re spot on as usual. Movie sucked horribly. If you liked this movie, you’re either a kid or have an IQ below 50
This post was edited on 12/23/19 at 11:53 am
Posted on 12/23/19 at 11:55 am to Cap Crunch
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Which is why I don't like the choice to bring him back, but I don't have any problem with how they did it.
I mean, but we don't really know how they did it, it just kind of was and we just had to accept it.
Posted on 12/23/19 at 12:01 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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I mean, besides it invalidating the OT and PT stories?
I don't necessarily disagree, but this was the case with the pre-Disney expanded universe. I mean, not only did they bring Palpatine back but they literally introduced countless Sith in the various books that took place after the films.
Posted on 12/23/19 at 12:04 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:But, it doesn't do that.quote:
Look, I really don't like the choice of bringing Palpatine back to be the big bad, but I fail to see how it is that outlandish in a universe where we fully accept Jedi force ghosts are a thing.
I mean, besides it invalidating the OT and PT stories?
Remember my Palpatine/Sauron analogy? Sauron's rise in LOTR doesn't invalidate Isildur, Elendil, Gil Galad etc. They still defeated Sauron and Mordor, and gave Middle Earth a chance. Without that first win, the whole LOTR story is pointless, because Sauron is so entrenched that he never falls.
OT is like that. If you don't knock the Empire out and kill Palpatine (for a little while
), at that point in time, it's over. He will rule a thousand years or more, and continue to grow in power the whole time. If the rebellion died at Yavin, there is no further effort to resist. The organized rebellion would be gone, and after Aldaraan no other system would dare permit dissent.
There was already a garrison of Imperial troops on Tatooine before Luke left the farm; in another generation of the Empire, they would have assimilated the Outer Rim. It would be no more "frontier" than Kansas City is today.
Posted on 12/23/19 at 12:05 pm to BulldogXero
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I don't necessarily disagree, but this was the case with the pre-Disney expanded universe. I mean, not only did they bring Palpatine back but they literally introduced countless Sith in the various books that took place after the films.
Don't disagree, but that doesn't mean those books were good either (as far as the idea went, not the actual quality of the book). It was a bad idea in the books too. The books have always had to be taken with a grain of salt. Yes, at the time, they were all canon, but in all reality, there was always more of a movie canon and a book canon.
I think bringing him back in book form was dumb as well (though wasn't he actually brought back as a clone, not his actual self)?
This post was edited on 12/23/19 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 12/23/19 at 12:05 pm to Scoob
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But, it doesn't do that.
But it does.
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Remember my Palpatine/Sauron analogy? Sauron's rise in LOTR doesn't invalidate Isildur, Elendil, Gil Galad etc. They still defeated Sauron and Mordor, and gave Middle Earth a chance. Without that first win, the whole LOTR story is pointless, because Sauron is so entrenched that he never falls.
Yea I remember. It was a bad analogy.
Posted on 12/23/19 at 12:09 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:
So thinking about a movie is now a bad thing.
yeah that's totally what i was saying
fricking idiot
Posted on 12/23/19 at 12:16 pm to Scoob
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But, it doesn't do that.
Remember my Palpatine/Sauron analogy? Sauron's rise in LOTR doesn't invalidate Isildur, Elendil, Gil Galad etc. They still defeated Sauron and Mordor, and gave Middle Earth a chance. Without that first win, the whole LOTR story is pointless, because Sauron is so entrenched that he never falls.
OT is like that. If you don't knock the Empire out and kill Palpatine (for a little while ), at that point in time, it's over. He will rule a thousand years or more, and continue to grow in power the whole time.
If the rebellion died at Yavin, there is no further effort to resist. The organized rebellion would be gone, and after Aldaraan no other system would dare permit dissent.
There was already a garrison of Imperial troops on Tatooine before Luke left the farm; in another generation of the Empire, they would have assimilated the Outer Rim. It would be no more "frontier" than Kansas City is today.
Stop it.
Watch this:
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Posted on 12/23/19 at 12:25 pm to The Pirate King
I didn't love it, but if you think it's worse than TLJA, AotC or PM you may be the one with the low IQ.
Posted on 12/23/19 at 12:30 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:Here's the way I understood this, from the movie-
I think bringing him back in book form was dumb as well (though wasn't he actually brought back as a clone, not his actual self)?
Palpatine is operating, in spirit. The body is dead, crispy and moldy, bloated etc. It's Palp's Force Ghost that is animating it, as it is being cloned/spliced/ otherwise worked on (for 30-40 years). It is only just now in any condition to even be used as that, and still looks like shite. Before now, it was all Force Ghost.
*we HEARD Obi-Wan in Luke's head at the Death Star, we SAW him in ESB, and we saw Yoda in ROTJ. That concept is all the way back to the OT, even before it was a trilogy itself.
ESB established Palpatine as the Alpha Sith, over Vader. If ANY Sith could do something, it would be him.
The prequels threw this big bone out there about Darth Plagius and cheating death. That ability was what pushed Anakin to go Dark, as the Jedi would not teach him that. Palpatine implied he knew it.
The Force Heal skill, and it's corresponding Suck The Life Out Of You move that Palpatine uses, is the reveal of that skill.
Both of those are straight movie canon, not extended book stuff.
TFA has Kylo talking to a "Vader" that should not be, as Anakin turned to the light. Hence, Palpatine ghost.
TLJ (yuck) has Kylo and Rey doing things you don't see, which is apparently the Force Dyad. Palp's ghost then tells the viewer in this film why it is (the Dyad thing), and that actually helps explain why she's so overpowered. She's part of a focal point in the Force, with Ben.
It's this revealed power that excites Palpatine, and he changes his mind from doing the Sith Possession thing, to sucking their combined Force-life out and using it to rebuild his own body. He goes from bloated zombie corpse to classic Palpatine again.
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