re: Official Big Brother 17 Season Long Thread (Spoilers/Live Feeders/Maybe NSFW)

Vanessa may have convinced Austin to throw this next HOH, so that someone else can take a twin out and he won't get that blood on his hands. If he does he's an idiot. But kudos to her if she was successful.

The Austwins aren't even good players but somehow they are dominating the house.

Love the fact that the twins realize their time has come and Steve will take one out. (Then again he will probably just throw up, talk to himself a lot, and evict Jmac bc he is a wimp who is scared to make a move)

Vomit Steve about to break up the showmance thank God

I think the Austwins evicting James during DE was probably the dumbest move they've made all season. They should've taken out Steve when they had their chance because they should've known that Steve was never going to go after JMac or Vanessa. But I'm glad they screwed that one up.

Austin is definitely the one that needs to go home. But if Austin and Liz go up and Julia wins veto, then Steve is screwed because whoever goes up as a renom will probably go home since Julia and Liz will control the votes. But the only comp Julia can win are chance comps, so it is unlikely she'd win.

Vanessa is still in the best spot. If Austin goes home then she'll have a final two with everyone left in the house besides the twins, and if Liz goes then she will have a final 2 with everyone. She will also probably be able to convince everyone that she is the best to go against in final 2 because the jury hates her.

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Vanessa is still in the best spot.

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she is alot better player than I gave her credit for early on. I didn't see the big picture but the way she attacks people and acts like a crazy person has actually helped her in this game. It's funny how dumb the houseguests are this year.

If Vanessa wins, she will fall somewhere between Adam and Maggie as the worst winners of all time.

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she attacks people and acts like a crazy person has actually helped her in this game.

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She's not acting. She's mental like that. That being said, just because her gameplay is unenjoyable to watch, doesn't mean she doesn't deserve to win.

Liz also has a great argument to win this too. She kept herself safe for 5 weeks to get her twin in, she picked the right people to closely align with and has had some major wins and may have more.

I won't enjoy either winning but that doesn't mean they haven't earned it more than the others that are left.

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Liz also has a great argument to win this too. She kept herself safe for 5 weeks to get her twin in, she picked the right people to closely align with and has had some major wins and may have more

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The problem here is that if she makes the final 2 and has to make a case of why she should be voted winner, I don't think she is smart enough to convey those points that you madeuhhhhhhhhh

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Didn't someone ask vanessa why she was acting different one day and she said something along the lines of "production hasn't given me my vicodin yet this morning"?

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Vicodin is a pain killer, not some sort of anti-depressant or mood altering drug. I doubt she is clinically nuts. She's just on the ultra-high side of woman BSC.

You can say all you want about her being a hypocrite and overly paranoid at times, but in the end she has positioned herself very well in the final 6. She has targeted the exact people she needed to for her game, and even convince others to target people that was best for her game, even if it wasn't best for theirs (see the Austwins voting out James last night). Her strategic game has been outstanding, her attempts to make those strategic moves have been overly bloody and could possibly cost her the game in a final two, especially with Austin or Steve and maybe even JMac. But she still deserves to win this season because no one else left in the house has even come close to playing the game has effectively, or made the strategic moves that she has. Just because she's a paranoid hypocrite doesn't mean someone else played any better.