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re: Official Avengers: Endgame SPOILERS/Discussion/Reviews Thread
Posted on 5/3/19 at 10:08 am to Fewer Kilometers
Posted on 5/3/19 at 10:08 am to Fewer Kilometers
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I thought Thanos said he'd keep Tony alive.
He stabbed him, then told him he had his respect, and that he hopes the half of the remaining living people after the snap remember him. Then he was going to kill him after saying that until Dr. Strange said stop.
I do'nt think he said he'd keep him alive, simply that he'd spare his life at that moment. The snap was random.
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Posted on 5/3/19 at 10:20 am to TeddyPadillac
Yeah. I think he just meant, you as a human fought as hard as you could. I hope the people that remain remember you.
I’m sure he had bearing on who was snapped out, but personally I would have willed all of the avengers and GotG gone with the snap if I’m Thanos.
I’m sure he had bearing on who was snapped out, but personally I would have willed all of the avengers and GotG gone with the snap if I’m Thanos.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 11:22 am to Fewer Kilometers
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I thought Thanos said he'd keep Tony alive.
He spared him at that moment in exchange for the time stone. The snap was still done at random.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 11:23 am to BilJ
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could be off on it but I always took his line in IW as saying humanity now has his respect so he'll keep half of it alive post snap and he hoped they'd remember tony for that.
He was always planning on keeping half alive. He just said he hoped the half that remained remembered Tony.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 3:14 pm to pvilleguru
Seeing it this afternoon
Posted on 5/3/19 at 3:22 pm to pvilleguru
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He was always planning on keeping half alive. He just said he hoped the half that remained remembered Tony.
I agree, which is why I asked why Tony's snap only takes out Thanos and company?
Also, Hulk really struggles putting the gauntlet on. Thanos also gets a big surge when he added all 6 to his gauntlet. Why was Tony able to put it on no problem? That seemed like quite a stretch to me. I'm talking about just putting it on, not once he snapped his fingers.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 3:31 pm to RLDSC FAN
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I agree, which is why I asked why Tony's snap only takes out Thanos and company?
Tony's snap didnt take out half of all life in the universe. It simply destroyed Thanos' army. Getting the 6 stones isn't supposed to unlock the ability to snap kill half the universe. It just gives you the ability to do whatever the heck you want. Or that's how I took it idk.
ETA: to your second point... I took it as, the larger the task, the more toll it took on your body. Thanos was able to snap-kill half the universe easier than using the stones to destroy themselves. Killing an army < killing trillions throughout the universe < destroying elemental forces of the universe
This post was edited on 5/3/19 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 5/3/19 at 3:44 pm to RLDSC FAN
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Why was Tony able to put it on no problem? That seemed like quite a stretch to me. I'm talking about just putting it on, not once he snapped his fingers.
His entire arm was being seared once the stones were arranged on the back of his hand.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 4:07 pm to Cs
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His entire arm was being seared once the stones were arranged on the back of his hand.
His pain tolerance must be off the charts because the Hulk and Thanos both visibly struggled with it.
If you need an in-universe explanation (instead of saying they didn't show Tony in pain for dramatic effect in order to hide the reveal), you can speculate that his Iron Man gauntlet was superior to Thanos' gauntlet and allowed a human to wield it and not get killed until he actually used it.
I mean, the dude figured out time travel in two hours so building a better gauntlet was probably child's play for him.
This post was edited on 5/3/19 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 5/3/19 at 4:13 pm to Walking the Earth
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His pain tolerance must be off the charts because the Hulk and Thanos both visibly struggled with it.
I took it that his nanotech was helping to protect him from the pain. Much more elaborate than the guantlet that Hulk and Thanos (final act Endgame) was using.
The uru gauntlet, OTOH, was much better at containing the power of the stones. Uru, in the Marvel universe, soaks up magic like a sponge. It isn't that the metal itself is terribly durable - it's that you can pump it so full of enchantments that it can reach that point.
So it's really good at energy manipulation.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 4:20 pm to Walking the Earth
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His pain tolerance must be off the charts because the Hulk and Thanos both visibly struggled with it.
If you need an in-universe explanation (instead of saying they didn't show Tony in pain for dramatic effect in order to hide the reveal), you can speculate that his Iron Man gauntlet was superior to Thanos' gauntlet and allowed a human to wield it and not get killed until he actually used it.
I mean, the dude figured out time travel in two hours so building a better gauntlet was probably child's play for him.
Exactly
Posted on 5/3/19 at 4:37 pm to TheeRealCarolina
I like Captain America wielding mjolnir. That was freaking awesome.
Another underrated moment is Bucky telling Sam to go talk to Old Cap, who then gave him the shield to become the next Captain America. To me, it was implied that Bucky knew Steve was going back and going to stay in the past otherwise there wouldn't be any reason for Bucky to recognize the old man on the bench from behind. I wish they would have expanded more on how old Cap got there.
I understand Gamora and Black Widow died bc Red Skull explained the soul for a soul being irreversible. However, I think that since Quill was searching for her on his computer at the end of the movie at least leaves open the possibility that they can somehow be brought back
Another underrated moment is Bucky telling Sam to go talk to Old Cap, who then gave him the shield to become the next Captain America. To me, it was implied that Bucky knew Steve was going back and going to stay in the past otherwise there wouldn't be any reason for Bucky to recognize the old man on the bench from behind. I wish they would have expanded more on how old Cap got there.
I understand Gamora and Black Widow died bc Red Skull explained the soul for a soul being irreversible. However, I think that since Quill was searching for her on his computer at the end of the movie at least leaves open the possibility that they can somehow be brought back
Posted on 5/3/19 at 4:48 pm to DJ3K
Quill and co. used an infinity stone in GoTG even though it was implied a human using a raw stone would die. I’m curious why Quill wouldn’t want to use the gauntlet to bring back Gamora or why no one else would offer the sacrifice to help bring back Black Widow. Wouldn’t banner use that thing one more time to bring her back considering how much she meant to him? If he could reverse the snap, dragging one person out of the soul realm shouldn’t be an overly damaging process compared to restoring trillions of people back into existence.
ETA: heck why wouldn’t Thanos bring back Gamora before destroying the things?
ETA: heck why wouldn’t Thanos bring back Gamora before destroying the things?
This post was edited on 5/3/19 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 5/3/19 at 4:50 pm to ShamelessPel
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I’m curious why Quill wouldn’t want to use the gauntlet to bring back Gamora or why no one else would offer the sacrifice to help bring back Black Widow. Wouldn’t banner use that thing one more time to bring her back considering how much she meant to him? If he could reverse the snap, dragging one person out of the soul realm shouldn’t be an overly damaging process compared to restoring trillions of people back into existence.
It’s implied multiple times that someone sacrificed for the soul stone can’t be brought back, even with the other stones. The only way Gamora came back was time traveling shenanigans.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 5:01 pm to BranchDawg
Is it ever explained what the soul stone actually does?
Posted on 5/3/19 at 5:02 pm to MF Doom
Not that I remember. It’s pretty much the only stone that’s never fully explained. The only thing that’s known about it is that it needs a sacrifice and is a “sort of wisdom”, whatever the frick that means.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 5:04 pm to ShamelessPel
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If he could reverse the snap, dragging one person out of the soul realm shouldn’t be an overly damaging process compared to restoring trillions of people back into existence.
Yeah, you would have thought that, if nothing else, they would have told Captain America to go to the day before Black Widow's death and drag her to the present day since Gamora proved you can do that and not violate the Soul Stone rule.
They're really going to be kicking themselves once they figure that out.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 5:06 pm to MF Doom
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Is it ever explained what the soul stone actually does?
It grants the power of the Line Dance.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 5:08 pm to BranchDawg
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The only thing that’s known about it is that it needs a sacrifice and is a “sort of wisdom”, whatever the frick that means.
It's apparently kind of a dick because Steve Rogers replaced all of the stones back where they were found and (apparently) didn't get Black Widow back as part of the trade.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 5:51 pm to Walking the Earth
The Gamora that died isn't back. Another one time traveled to the future, which doesn't break the chain of events for the current MCU universe.
Past Gamora didn't violate any soul stone rule bc her timeline didn't get there.
Past Gamora didn't violate any soul stone rule bc her timeline didn't get there.
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