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re: Official Avengers: Endgame SPOILERS/Discussion/Reviews Thread

Posted on 5/3/19 at 9:00 pm to
Posted by Walking the Earth
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Posted on 5/3/19 at 9:00 pm to
Yeah, he's definitely bailing out on them which doubly sucks because they put up with five years of Shitbird Thor only for him to jet once he becomes Awesome Thor again.

That doesn't seem like a very "worthy" trait but I guess GOTG 3 or his next solo movie may reveal some method behind the madness. Maybe he going out to scout for a for real Asgatd replacement instead of the fishing retirement village they've currently got.
Posted by TheeRealCarolina
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Posted on 5/3/19 at 9:21 pm to
Thor is a warrior, the only leadership role he knows is as a “general”. He doesn’t want to rule Asgard. His people are safe on Earth with someone who can protect them and won’t go off looking for trouble.

There’s no story for Thor staying on Earth and being the mayor of New Asgard. No interesting one at least. He needs to be out in the Galaxy with the Guardians and Meik and Korg, exploring and fighting and using a Bowflex.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
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Posted on 5/3/19 at 9:21 pm to
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I don’t mean abandoning as in leaving them without a role, I just mean he is personally abandoning them.


Maybe in his mind he's brought them nothing but pain and misery since he took the throne and doesn't want them to keep suffering because of him.
Posted by OliverQueen81
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Posted on 5/3/19 at 9:29 pm to
I loved it. Professor hulk was a letdown though. America's arse.
Posted by DJ3K
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Posted on 5/3/19 at 10:01 pm to
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I think there’s not as much of a question/dilemma from the audience about past Gamorra because there’s not much left for her in that past timeline (the life she knows is gone, her father and sister are both dead) and she is now in a better world.


I assumed that Gamora died from Tony's snap bc his snap intended to kill Thanos and his army and that version of Gamora wasn't the one that Quill fell in love with. She was still with Thanos. She wasn't at Tony's funeral with the GotG members

This is where the Russo's fricked up with story telling. Hulk said whatever you do while in the past can’t affect the events that have already happened in your timeline because that’s not quite your past anymore

They broke their own rule by bringing past Thanos to the future and having Rogers stay in the past to return the stones.

When the Thanos from IW destroyed the stones by using their power on itself, it should have left no chance at bringing anyone else back.
Posted by LoveThatMoney
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Posted on 5/3/19 at 10:33 pm to
Saw it today. I have some nitpicks, particularly not explaining in a simple 2 second throw away line how the frick Thanos got to the future when all the Pym Particles were used up by Past Nebula going to the future. Literally all they needed was a line from Thanks: "Give this to the Maw. See what he can do with it."

Otherwise, I loved how they handled the original team. Hawkeye went full psycho, which was great and totally what he would have done. Black Widow tried to hold the family together, which she would have done. Thor turned inward and put the entire failure squarely on his shoulders because he thinks he can do anything. Hulk manages to marry his two personalities and has become kind of zen in a way, which was at least fun to see. Cap was Cap and grew throughout the movie. Tony returned to his Iron Man 3 self, which is totally believable, before he became the family man. Loved all that. Thought they paid off everyone well. The Hawkeye/Black Widow "Me!", "No, me!" was a bit forced but felt right. Cap's end was perfect. Iron Man's end was exactly what was needed. He birthed the MCU and his death ended its first major Arc. Truly just enjoyed the hell out of it.
Posted by OliverQueen81
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Posted on 5/3/19 at 11:05 pm to
I enjoyed the two capt. America's fighting.
Posted by notbilly
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Posted on 5/3/19 at 11:11 pm to
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They very specifically said that wasn't the case.

Remember the "Why can't we just kill baby Thanos" argument? What happened has already happened and can't be changed.


You are missing the point that the past can't be changed in that specific timeline. Going back in time to kill baby thanos doesn't change their timeline. It just creates another timeline where thanos dies at as baby.
Posted by Walking the Earth
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Posted on 5/3/19 at 11:20 pm to
Yeah, I get that but you can still pull Black Widow out and advance her to the present day.

Now xenythx is correct that you're potentially really screwing with a newly branched off timeline that would be missing their Black Widow but that ship has kind of sailed on those ethical questions seeing as the Avengers already left one 2012 timeline with an Infinity Stone in the hands of an escaped Loki (not to mention leaving Hydra with the impression that Captain America is on to them) and left Thor weaponless in a branched off Asgardian timeline right before Asgard gets invaded.
This post was edited on 5/3/19 at 11:23 pm
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 5/3/19 at 11:26 pm to
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That doesn't seem like a very "worthy" trait


from day one Loki's thoughts on Thor be like


Posted by Freauxzen
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Posted on 5/3/19 at 11:29 pm to
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particularly not explaining in a simple 2 second throw away line how the frick Thanos got to the future when all the Pym Particles were used up by Past Nebula going to the future.


They each had two vials, one to get to the past, one to get back. Nebula never used hers to get back. And they captured her...?

quote:

Literally all they needed was a line from Thanks: "Give this to the Maw. See what he can do with it."



Maw takes her second vial to Thanos and he looks at it. You might have sneezed and missed it
It was a fast scene.




Posted by MF Doom
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Posted on 5/3/19 at 11:41 pm to
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and left Thor weaponless in a branched off Asgardian timeline right before Asgard gets invaded


Cap returned it doggie
Posted by dallastigers
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Posted on 5/3/19 at 11:42 pm to
When Thanos used time stone in IW to turn back clock on Vision’s stone being destroyed did he create a new timeline?

Were the 50% actually dusted/killed or transported elsewhere? Just wondering if they were brought back from somewhere or if snapback is supposed to have recreated exact same people it had destroyed/killed/dusted 5 years ago without using time stone aspect to turn back time like with Vision if that creates timelines. I can see it destroying life, creating new life, bring them back from somewhere, but not recreating the exact same people dusted without turning back time.

With the chaos that happened over the 5 years since snap and less workers over that time would the SnapBack overwhelm current production of resources like medicines, vaccines, and other needed supplies? SnapBack had to have included kids, elderly, sick, and handicapped, so not all will be able to fend for themselves. I would assume this would be overcome eventually, but at least until order and production fully restored and families reunited where possible after 5 years of chaos it seems like it would create a temporary scenario similar what Thanos predicted.
Posted by Walking the Earth
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 5/3/19 at 11:54 pm to
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Cap returned it doggie


Creating another timeline where Thor has his hammer back.
Posted by MF Doom
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Posted on 5/4/19 at 12:16 am to
That one would probably stay the same
Posted by OliverQueen81
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Posted on 5/4/19 at 2:00 am to
Loki stays dead? Right?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/4/19 at 7:35 am to
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When Thanos used time stone in IW to turn back clock on Vision’s stone being destroyed did he create a new timeline?

i don't think so b/c the time stone is within that reality. i think the time stone and the quantum time travel are very different concepts

the time stone controls time in your reality

getting into these details is so bleh. it's comic book bullshite. hopefully it leads to a payoff down the road. like the unAvengers figure out a way to travel to our timeline in one movie and that's the bad. that's actually a much better "Sokovia" excuse to disband the Avengers

with the Avengers going more cosmic, shite isn't going to make sense anymore, regardless
Posted by TheeRealCarolina
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 5/4/19 at 7:46 am to
We have more movies coming in the series that can and will deal with the fallout, specifically Doctor Strange 2.
Posted by QJenk
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Posted on 5/4/19 at 10:30 am to
Just speculating. How do you guys think Endgame would have went if it was the opposite way, all the OG guys were dusted instead of the newbies.

Would the movie he received as well?. I believe part of the reason Endgame was so great was because it served as such a good ending to the stories of Steve and Tony.

How might Endgame be if it was instead Strange, Black Panther, Scarlet Witch, Guardians, and Buck and Sam who survived.
This post was edited on 5/4/19 at 10:38 am
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 5/4/19 at 10:34 am to
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