- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Official Avengers: Endgame SPOILERS/Discussion/Reviews Thread
Posted on 4/30/19 at 11:53 am to buckeye_vol
Posted on 4/30/19 at 11:53 am to buckeye_vol
quote:quote:
It was stupid enough storytelling it warranted being mentioned as a stupid piece of storytelling in a great movie. It stops and ends there. They were just trying to be cute and made a dumb decision.
Exactly. Although, I haven’t seen anyone mention that it was a recreation of a similar moment from IW with Scarlet Witch, Black Widow, and Okoye. That one wasn’t so awkward and unrealistic though.
Because Endgame was made for panel shots in the final battle. They wanted "the shot," which is, honestly, ok in my book, as that's part of comic books.
1
Posted on 4/30/19 at 11:54 am to Brettesaurus Rex
quote:
IW didn't have his armor /sword. He just wanted the stone, wasn't after them. They were just in his way.
EG he did and it was personal.
They're two different people at different stages in their lives, it's not crazy that they'd fight differently.
Further I would say, IW Thanos was relying on the Infinity Stones for everything. Something he didn't have a lot of experience with.
EG Thanos was using the thing he used for a couple of millenia.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 12:16 pm to ShamelessPel
Yeah Pepper is not a replacement for Tony.
We have War Machine. We also have Harley Keener, who at least has a connection to Tony. If anyone steps up as the “Iron” guy it should be him, an established character with links to the previous one. He could be like Rhodes’ trainee or something.
We have War Machine. We also have Harley Keener, who at least has a connection to Tony. If anyone steps up as the “Iron” guy it should be him, an established character with links to the previous one. He could be like Rhodes’ trainee or something.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 1:01 pm to Freauxzen
quote:
Further I would say, IW Thanos was relying on the Infinity Stones for everything. Something he didn't have a lot of experience with.
EG Thanos was using the thing he used for a couple of millenia.
IW Thanos is also mentally and probably physically fatigued by the time he gets to Titan.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 2:05 pm to craigbiggio
I don't know enough about the comics to know if they followed the source material, but the way I took it was:
- Especially having seen Endgame and the cost using the gauntlet takes on the user, Thanos likely was not trying to just blow everyone away by unleashing the full force of the gauntlet on these annoying little pissants that he knew couldn't beat him in a fight. He still doesn't have the Time Stone in his possession yet, so he wouldn't have seen the attack coming. What likely surprised him was the fact that the heroes had enough to disarm him of the gauntlet and potentially enough to make off with the gauntlet. He probably thought the heroes were there trying to make their last stand and kill him.
- When Thor whacked Thanos in the chest with an ax, Thanos very easily could have known that was coming due to the Time stone. He probably was amused by the hope in the "heroes" eyes slowly turning to despair and hopelessness. After all, these people did kill his lieutenants. He may respect them as warriors, but he would certainly savor every moment of his victory as he paid such a price on the way there.
- Thanos wouldn't have felt the need to do what Dr. Strange did and trace every possibility and timeline, and even if he did every timeline succeeded but the 1 in 14 million, and he's likely thinking "that 1 is not along the path where I finish the gauntlet and destroy the stones". Strange had a lot more time to perform the simulations while waiting on Thanos to arrive at Titan than Thanos had between jumping from Titan to Earth. If Thanos had even done a brief check, it would have looked like he succeeds in every timeline where Strange kept probing and kept probing til he found that 1 timeline where Thanos lost.
- Endgame Thanos is the fully unleashed version of the titan badass enough to not just snap his fingers once to destroy half of all life, but was able to snap his fingers a second time, destroy the stones, and live. He looked in noticeably worse condition from the end of Infinity War to the beginning of Endgame, so I'd guess the task of using the stones to destroy the stones was actually much more difficult. Logic would dictate that the second task would be much more difficult anyways regardless of his appearance. Destroying half of life vs destroying the entirety of the elemental forces strong enough to destroy half of life...by using those same forces.
- I would assume that blade he was wielding was more than just a piece of metal as well.
- Especially having seen Endgame and the cost using the gauntlet takes on the user, Thanos likely was not trying to just blow everyone away by unleashing the full force of the gauntlet on these annoying little pissants that he knew couldn't beat him in a fight. He still doesn't have the Time Stone in his possession yet, so he wouldn't have seen the attack coming. What likely surprised him was the fact that the heroes had enough to disarm him of the gauntlet and potentially enough to make off with the gauntlet. He probably thought the heroes were there trying to make their last stand and kill him.
- When Thor whacked Thanos in the chest with an ax, Thanos very easily could have known that was coming due to the Time stone. He probably was amused by the hope in the "heroes" eyes slowly turning to despair and hopelessness. After all, these people did kill his lieutenants. He may respect them as warriors, but he would certainly savor every moment of his victory as he paid such a price on the way there.
- Thanos wouldn't have felt the need to do what Dr. Strange did and trace every possibility and timeline, and even if he did every timeline succeeded but the 1 in 14 million, and he's likely thinking "that 1 is not along the path where I finish the gauntlet and destroy the stones". Strange had a lot more time to perform the simulations while waiting on Thanos to arrive at Titan than Thanos had between jumping from Titan to Earth. If Thanos had even done a brief check, it would have looked like he succeeds in every timeline where Strange kept probing and kept probing til he found that 1 timeline where Thanos lost.
- Endgame Thanos is the fully unleashed version of the titan badass enough to not just snap his fingers once to destroy half of all life, but was able to snap his fingers a second time, destroy the stones, and live. He looked in noticeably worse condition from the end of Infinity War to the beginning of Endgame, so I'd guess the task of using the stones to destroy the stones was actually much more difficult. Logic would dictate that the second task would be much more difficult anyways regardless of his appearance. Destroying half of life vs destroying the entirety of the elemental forces strong enough to destroy half of life...by using those same forces.
- I would assume that blade he was wielding was more than just a piece of metal as well.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 2:13 pm to Freauxzen
quote:
Because Endgame was made for panel shots in the final battle. They wanted "the shot," which is, honestly, ok in my book, as that's part of comic books.
If that's what they were going for, the Wasp wouldn't have been in the shot when she's supposed to be across the battlefield. It was out of place pandeeing that took away from the scene at hand.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 2:25 pm to craigbiggio
quote:
mentally and probably physically fatigued by the time he gets to Titan.
He did just kill the one person he loved. Kinda takes a toll.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 2:28 pm to TheeRealCarolina
Russo brothers recently did an interview in China and confirmed that there are indeed multiple timelines, and that Old Cap at the end is indeed the Cap that we know - he simply jumped back to the main MCU timeline.
LINK
quote:
Q: Did Captain America's action at the end affect the timeline? Does that mean there was a time where two CA existed in a same universe?
A: To me, CA's action in the end wasn't the fact he wanted to change anything, it's more like me has made a choice. He chose to go back to past and lived with the one he loved for the rest of his life. The time travel in this movie created an alternate reality. He lived a completely different life in that world. We don't know how exactly his life turned out, but I'd like to believe he still helped many others when they were needed in that world. Yes, there were two CA in that reality, it's just like what Hulk said, what happened in the past has already happened. If you go back to past, you simply created a new reality. The characters in this movie created new timeline when they went back to the past, but it had no effect to the prime universe. What happened in the past 22 movies was still canon.
quote:
Q: EG's plot, is it a parallel universe or a closed time loop?
A: Nope, not a time loop. Both Ancinet One and Hulk were right. You can't change the future by simply going back to past. But it's possible to create a different alternate future. It's not butterfly effect. Every decision you made in the past could potentially create a new timeline. For example, the old Cap at the end movie, he lived his married life in a different universe from the main one. He had to make another jump back to the main universe at the end to give the shield to Sam.
LINK
This post was edited on 4/30/19 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 4/30/19 at 2:33 pm to ShamelessPel
quote:
- I would assume that blade he was wielding was more than just a piece of metal as well.
I agree.
That thing took the brunt of the crap Thor and Captain Marvel sent at him, as well as cut Cap's Shield in half. That wasn't some ordinary weapon.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 2:52 pm to Cs
quote:
Russo brothers recently did an interview in China and confirmed that there are indeed multiple timelines, and that Old Cap at the end is indeed the Cap that we know - he simply jumped back to the main MCU timeline.
The second Loki jumped away with the Tesseract, another timeline was created. When you're time hopping, as long as the infinity stones stay in their place without moving, there's just the one (at least in this universe/version). I'm assuming Stark's time travel equation (i forget what the sphere MC escher looking thing was called) could keep them on the same external timeline, or else the timeline Loki created still has a Thanos in it.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 2:58 pm to ShamelessPel
quote:
The second Loki jumped away with the Tesseract, another timeline was created. When you're time hopping, as long as the infinity stones stay in their place without moving, there's just the one (at least in this universe/version). I'm assuming Stark's time travel equation (i forget what the sphere MC escher looking thing was called) could keep them on the same external timeline, or else the timeline Loki created still has a Thanos in it.
By entering into these points in the past they immediately created a divergent timeline, because suddenly things are not the same as they were in the core MCU timeline.
Cap goes back to the 1950s, but it creates an alternate timeline despite the fact that all the stones were in place the moment he went back.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 3:01 pm to Cs
quote:
Cap goes back to the 1950s, but it creates an alternate timeline despite the fact that all the stones were in place the moment he went back.
I don't think they were all in the place the second he went back. I think he replaced 5 of the 6, then lived his life with Peggy, then replaced the final one. And then went back to the present day. At that point, all of the stones are back where they should have been and he is aged without there being any alternate timelines.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 3:02 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:
I don't think they were all in the place the second he went back. I think he replaced 5 of the 6, then lived his life with Peggy, then replaced the final one. And then went back to the present day. At that point, all of the stones are back where they should have been and he is aged without there being any alternate timelines.
Old Cap explicitly states that "after he put all the stones back" he thought he would "get some of that life" Tony told him about.
And even if he didn't put all the stones back first, he's still going back to an earlier point in time where all the stones were indeed present at the point in the core timeline.
This post was edited on 4/30/19 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 4/30/19 at 3:03 pm to ShamelessPel
quote:
(i forget what the sphere MC escher looking thing was called)
You talking about the Möbius strip?
Posted on 4/30/19 at 3:04 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:
I don't think they were all in the place the second he went back. I think he replaced 5 of the 6, then lived his life with Peggy, then replaced the final one. And then went back to the present day. At that point, all of the stones are back where they should have been and he is aged without there being any alternate timelines.
So, I guess, at that point, Old Man Cap was a widower? Wonder how that timeline's events happened without Cap as an Avenger.
Oh well...time travel always leaves questions.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 3:09 pm to Cs
quote:
Old Cap explicitly states that "after he put all the stones back" he thought he would "get some of that life" Tony told him about.
And even if he didn't put all the stones back first, he's still going back to an earlier point in time where all the stones were indeed present at the point in the core timeline.
At some point, he had to give the time stone back to The Ancient One. Maybe he could just wait until that moment, hand it to her, then roll out. That begs the question.
How doesn't it frick up reality having multiple iterations of the same stone in the same reality? The world may never know, but I'm not going to get hung up on it.
This post was edited on 4/30/19 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 4/30/19 at 3:11 pm to Sasquatch Smash
quote:
So, I guess, at that point, Old Man Cap was a widower? Wonder how that timeline's events happened without Cap as an Avenger.
There was still a Cap frozen in Antarctica in that reality. Old Cap just laid low and stayed inconsequential to the greater reality while he was found/thawed/etc.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 3:15 pm to Jester
quote:
There was still a Cap frozen in Antarctica in that reality. Old Cap just laid low and stayed inconsequential to the greater reality while he was found/thawed/etc.
Ah, yes. Stupid me. Then I wonder if the adventures of Agent Carter never happened? Or did she go to work everyday in that reality pretending he didn't exist?
Posted on 4/30/19 at 3:16 pm to DVNO
Agreed. Very underwhelming
Posted on 4/30/19 at 3:17 pm to Jester
quote:
There was still a Cap frozen in Antarctica in that reality. Old Cap just laid low and stayed inconsequential to the greater reality while he was found/thawed/etc.
Or maybe he was never found. Cap married Peggy in that reality and may have very likely worked at SHIELD. He could have neutralized Hydra and prevented a host of issues from ever occurring.
Page 85 of 100
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News