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re: Official Avengers: Endgame SPOILERS/Discussion/Reviews Thread
Posted on 4/30/19 at 3:20 pm to Cs
Posted on 4/30/19 at 3:20 pm to Cs
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Plus, his adopted son righted what he wronged
Or made a hell of an attempt
If 50% of all the living was snapped out of existence in IW, it stands to reason that old man cap doubled his odds of being snapped out when he traveled back in time thereby creating another reality where he isn’t there to help Tony save the world in “End Game”
Bone head move if you think about it
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Posted on 4/30/19 at 3:20 pm to Cs
I said that earlier. If he stops them from ever finding the tesseract, then it alters everything. No Marvel. No Avengers. No Loki. Then who knows where Thanos is in his search by the time Cap is old.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 3:22 pm to theunknownknight
End Game doesn't happen in that reality. At least not in any way that we know it.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 3:23 pm to ell_13
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End Game doesn't happen in that reality. At least not in any way that we know it.
What reality?
If you are referring to Cap getting snapped out because he went back - that’s my point. Him going back could have led to a scenario where the people never come back.
All for some poon
Posted on 4/30/19 at 3:25 pm to ell_13
I really do love that Cap’s completed arc in the MCU, his core drive was ultimately to slay some poon 
Posted on 4/30/19 at 3:28 pm to theunknownknight
quote:The reality he returns to. He created a new timeline when he went back to live with Peggy. He may not be found in the arctic... shield may never find the tesseract. Those two alone put a stop to much of what happens in the future that would have lead to Endgame.
What reality?
ETA: Hell, finding/saving Bucky stops it, too. Howard Stark lives. Tony's life is totally different. No Ironman.
And there's also the possibility that Old Cap is from the 00s and not 2019. He's already in his 20s in first avenger and gets awakened in what year? 2012? So he's 30ish when he goes back to the 50s right?
This post was edited on 4/30/19 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 4/30/19 at 3:36 pm to ell_13
I think you are over-complicating it.
He lived on the down low in the same reality.
He lived on the down low in the same reality.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 3:42 pm to theunknownknight
Read the directors explanation from Cs. They explain it’s a different reality. It was explained in the movie too by Sorcerous Supreme.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 3:42 pm to Cs
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Russo brothers recently did an interview in China and confirmed that there are indeed multiple timelines,
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Cs
Now who's man enough to admit they were wrong?
Posted on 4/30/19 at 3:43 pm to theunknownknight
quote:yes, but his life WOULD effect the people around him, even laying down low
He lived on the down low in the same reality.
Peggy making a single different decision due to his influence would create an entire different timeline
unless we are just going with the time travel paradox that they tried to shut down earlier
Posted on 4/30/19 at 3:44 pm to MF Doom
Are you calling out Cs? Because he has said that all along.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 3:58 pm to ell_13
Realistically, they probably selfishly fricked up many alternate timelines with their time travel shenanigans. Maybe they'll explore it in future movies, but I think for now you're supposed to ignore all that.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 4:02 pm to xenythx
Random thought: What would happen if both Thors on Asgard tried calling for the hammer at the same time?
Posted on 4/30/19 at 4:06 pm to Cs
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By entering into these points in the past they immediately created a divergent timeline, because suddenly things are not the same as they were in the core MCU timeline.
Cap goes back to the 1950s, but it creates an alternate timeline despite the fact that all the stones were in place the moment he went back
If you go by the explanation that only the infinity stones alter timelines, Cap going back into time and staying there until the present day makes sense I guess. I don't know
. It wasn't exactly the best attempt at time travel, but it was good enough to not notice, which is all they should have been trying to achieve. This post was edited on 4/30/19 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 4/30/19 at 4:07 pm to xenythx
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Random thought: What would happen if both Thors on Asgard tried calling for the hammer at the same time?
Also, kind of a jerk thing to do considering he knows how much it sucks to lose Mjolnir first hand
Posted on 4/30/19 at 4:10 pm to xenythx
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Realistically, they probably selfishly fricked up many alternate timelines with their time travel shenanigans. Maybe they'll explore it in future movies, but I think for now you're supposed to ignore all that.
Isn't the whole point of putting the stones back exactly where they came from that no new branches of timelines would exist?
Posted on 4/30/19 at 4:18 pm to ell_13
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The reality he returns to. He created a new timeline when he went back to live with Peggy. He may not be found in the arctic... shield may never find the tesseract. Those two alone put a stop to much of what happens in the future that would have lead to Endgame.
You are correct. He created an alternate universe when he did that, and when he lived his life in that universe and was done with it, he used his pym particles he had and his time machine wristwatch to return to the "endgame" universe and be on that bench to give Sam the shield.
What he did had no effect whatsoever on the Endgame universe we've seen played out throughout the 22 movies. He returned all the stones like he was supposed to, keeping that universe in tact.
Something people keep forgetting is when Bruce explained to Scott how Back to the Future was bullshite. you can't travel back in time and change the future.
The present you leave from becomes the past, and that past you are traveling to is now the present, so whatever you do in that past, which is now the present, will not affect the present time you originally left, b/c it's the past. What you can do is cause alternate timelines, but you can't change the past.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 4:21 pm to TeddyPadillac
So there is still an "uncorrected" timeline going?
Posted on 4/30/19 at 4:27 pm to craigbiggio
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So there is still an "uncorrected" timeline going?
Yeah, there's one where Captain America lives his life.
THere's also one where Loki takes the tesseract after the first Avengers movie.
Do we need to concern ourselves with those alternate universe's? as old Captain America told Sam when he asked about that ring, NO. That was something in one of those links from the writers interview that they stated, and why they made Captain America say no to that question.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 4:28 pm to xenythx
quote:It would fly to the one who was more worthy at the time.
Random thought: What would happen if both Thors on Asgard tried calling for the hammer at the same time?
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