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Posted on 4/26/19 at 11:21 am to CarRamrod
quote:We are just going to have to disagree on the importance of showing how he got there. IMO, it’s just not a crucial detail when possibilities exist and the focus of the scene is solely for the closure of Cap’s arc.
i understand that but to just assume that lazy.
quote:The Stone is used to move through time. Thanos uses it, too. I can’t remember a scene where baldy uses it though. Dormammu opens the portal.
i only remember Sorcerer Supreme and Strange use the Time Stone to view time, right? Heck she even didnt use it right to see Strange give the time stone away. I guess Strange traveled to Dormammu but did he do that with the time stone or did Dormammu open that portal.
This post was edited on 4/26/19 at 11:23 am
Posted on 4/26/19 at 11:22 am to TeLeFaWx
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Long story short, in order to save one timeline, they fricked up many others.
In true Rick and Morty fashion
agree with your post wholeheartedly
Posted on 4/26/19 at 11:24 am to TeLeFaWx
To further explain, the only time travel that gets this right is Future Trunks. Sort of. At least in one direction. He knew he wasn’t fixing anything by coming back to save Goku in his own timeline, but he just wanted there to be a reality where Goku survived and the Androids weren’t destroying Earth.
Where they get it wrong is traveling back to the future, which should also create a new timeline. Each impact to a time stream creates a new branch that forks off a stream that reaches the end of time unimpeded. It doesn’t “impede” anything to arrive at a point in time or “return” to a reality, it alters a stream that already exists to the end of time.
Where they get it wrong is traveling back to the future, which should also create a new timeline. Each impact to a time stream creates a new branch that forks off a stream that reaches the end of time unimpeded. It doesn’t “impede” anything to arrive at a point in time or “return” to a reality, it alters a stream that already exists to the end of time.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 11:27 am to ell_13
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How do you handle half the population being 5 years younger? Peter Parker goes back to school but half the people he knows are long gone. How do the people who return manage the changes over that time? People who died naturally, governments/agencies/companies that have new leaders and are rebuilt differently, etc.
That's what future movies can go forward on.
To me, the old 2012 timeline is no longer the primary one and the 2019 one is. All those other issues you mentioned are kind of like the Robert Redford confrontation in Stark Tower, those are things that happened that we didn't see but moved the story along nonetheless.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 11:27 am to DMagic
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his tech he’s been hiding from the Starks for decades has been stolen from him by Tony
Now that you mention this, it was very much pointed out in the Ant-Man movie that Hank Pym has been hiding his tech and particles from Howard Stark. Yet, all it took was an unknown soldier (Rogers) to walk into Hank's office and pretty much just take the Pym Particles. Howard Stark appeared to have had full access to the facility. So couldn't he have, or have gotten someone else to, just walk into Hank's office and take the particles?
Unless Howard did not know about particles in 1970?
Posted on 4/26/19 at 11:31 am to Brodeur
Somone may have stated this already but I think they have set up evil cap being hydr in another timeline. When the cap fight happens, and future cap touches past cap with the tesseract, he is now prone to mind control when he awakes and if hydra people are the first to discover a past out cap, they will put that in his head since they think he is hydra from that elevator scene. And in that timeline thanos is dead and snap never occurs, so could do some different things in it. Plus, in that timeline or a separate the guardians are never formed.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 11:33 am to Bard
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How do you handle half the population being 5 years younger?
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That's what future movies can go forward on.
Was the fat Hawaiian kid at PP'S school at the end a friend of his? I didnt see Homeconing.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 11:33 am to tigermike5
When the mind stone is returned, none of that happens. Steve repaired/removed that alternate reality.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 11:34 am to Darkknight
quote:and this secret research facility and Howard found this random guy down in the bottom next to where the tesseract was kept. he didnt think that was fishy.
Now that you mention this, it was very much pointed out in the Ant-Man movie that Hank Pym has been hiding his tech and particles from Howard Stark. Yet, all it took was an unknown soldier (Rogers) to walk into Hank's office and pretty much just take the Pym Particles. Howard Stark appeared to have had full access to the facility. So couldn't he have, or have gotten someone else to, just walk into Hank's office and take the particles?
Unless Howard did not know about particles in 1970?
Posted on 4/26/19 at 11:34 am to iwyLSUiwy
Yes. His best friend. Who must have been dusted as well since he’s back in high school.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 11:35 am to RedPants
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I just thought of something. If Ancient One is right and removing infinity stones from a timeline risks plunging that timeline into chaos, what will happen to our main timeline now that OG Thanos snapped them out of existence?
The stones are required for stability in forming a new reality. This is what concerns the Ancient One. She recognizes that their presence in NYC at that time has already formed a nascent new reality, for which the stones are required for stability in that branch. Removing the stones from a newly formed reality would doom it from the start.
The stones are the fabric of any new reality, and have to be present to allow that new reality to exist. The stones were present to sufficiently allow the core MCU reality to form and stabilize and are not required to uphold that timeline.
This post was edited on 4/26/19 at 11:37 am
Posted on 4/26/19 at 11:53 am to schatman
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Running with that thought- couldn't they have just gone to The Ancient One, gotten her stone, and reset time? Seems much easier. I guess the caveat would be that 1 stone can't reverse damage done by all 6 stones
I may be confused but I'm pretty sure Hulk and Ironman mentioned that time could not he reset. That can and does happen in the comics but the MCU never set that precedent. The "reset" was using their new gauntlet to snap everyone back then to snap everyone back into the year 2023 which is their present day. So essentially you can't use the gauntlet and/or the individual time stone to reset time.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 11:54 am to RedPants
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However, they crapped all over their own rules by having old man Cap showing up in the present reality. It never should have worked that way and ruined their own explanations of time travel. They sacrificed plot for a nice send off for Steve. It's a shame.
Here's my take on it...
There was one timeline but it split in 2014 the moment Thanos found out what Future Nebula knew. We'll call this new timeline 2014 and the one in which Thanos killed everyone is 2019. This means 2019 has always been the primary and 2014 is the tangent.
So when Steve goes back in time he's still in the 2019 timeline. When it gets to the point of the split, he's actually in both timelines as is everyone else but the difference is that due to him having come from the future of 2019 he knows what was supposed to happen in 2014 but didn't.
Think of it like this... you have a river. At some point you dig another trench and split the river in half (Old stream and New stream). You then go a few miles down the Old stream and suck out a few gallons of water then bring it back a couple dozen miles prior to the split.
That water you took out then goes equally down both rivers once it hits the split.
So while we end up seeing Old Steve in the primary timeline, there was also an Old Steve in the one that split off in 2014.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 11:56 am to Ross
quote:I see the angle they're trying; she's a Top Gun Maverick/Iceman type of pilot, "best of the best" and ultra-cocky. Add in the fact that she's a woman in the 80's as that, when such things weren't generally acceptable.
I didn’t see her standalone movie so maybe it’s handled better there with a fleshed our character arc, but yeah I feel like Marvel thrives making relatable, vulnerable, and well fleshed out heroes and having her be OP and cocky doesn’t work for me when trying to like her as a character.
I’ll have to check out Captain Marvel at some point and maybe some background would help.
So you get a brash and aggressive person who has had to prove herself continuously (at least while on Earth, no telling if she's calmer elsewhere). We kinda get the same "who are you, we've already been doing this" moment when she shows up at Avengers HQ.
She doesn't pull that off in the role very well, unfortunately. Maybe if she had a moment afterwards to let her guard down with the others, the personality would be better... but then that wouldn't fit as she's still an outsider.
BTW, when Thor finally powered up to attack Thanos at the end, did anyone else think that when the lightning hit him, he'd be ripped and buff again?
Posted on 4/26/19 at 11:59 am to Bard
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Imagine each new timeline is like creating a new fork in a river. But that new branch doesn’t slowly get to the ocean in a man made trench. It can’t be stopped and diverted later down the line, by building a damn in the a fresh trench of dirt so only one path to the ocean ever existed. Each time someone travels in to a new timeline, they have to be traveling in to some point on river, a river that reaches the ocean.
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Think of it like this... you have a river. At some point you dig another trench and split the river in half (Old stream and New stream). You then go a few miles down the Old stream and suck out a few gallons of water then bring it back a couple dozen miles prior to the split.
A few more river analogies and I might start getting it.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 12:01 pm to Scoob
Read in another place that the 5 year difference could be a great use for introducing Harry and Gwen in the new Spider-Man movie.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 12:08 pm to Bard
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Here's my take on it...
There was one timeline but it split in 2014 the moment Thanos found out what Future Nebula knew. We'll call this new timeline 2014 and the one in which Thanos killed everyone is 2019. This means 2019 has always been the primary and 2014 is the tangent.
So when Steve goes back in time he's still in the 2019 timeline. When it gets to the point of the split, he's actually in both timelines as is everyone else but the difference is that due to him having come from the future of 2019 he knows what was supposed to happen in 2014 but didn't.
Think of it like this... you have a river. At some point you dig another trench and split the river in half (Old stream and New stream). You then go a few miles down the Old stream and suck out a few gallons of water then bring it back a couple dozen miles prior to the split.
That water you took out then goes equally down both rivers once it hits the split.
So while we end up seeing Old Steve in the primary timeline, there was also an Old Steve in the one that split off in 2014.
You're ignoring all of the other divergent realities. And the fact that Steve returning the Soul and Power stone to the 2014 branch doesn't magically bring back Thanos, his army, Nebula, or Gamora. It's a fundamentally different reality.
And it you're positing that old Steve has been around throughout the MCU timeline then you're also concluding that Steve made out with his daughter in Winter Soldier.
This post was edited on 4/26/19 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 4/26/19 at 12:09 pm to Ross
quote:Mixed bag... it really depends on what you want from a superhero movie.
Might take a pass on that, two hours dedicated to the Captain Marvel I saw in Endgame seems like a stretch to say it can be made into a fun movie
Larson- she may be a good actress, but her impersonation of Tom Cruise isn't.
And not to be a pig about things, but she just isn't very attractive... she's actually hotter in regular clothes than in her tight-fitting supersuit. This might sound trivial, but remember that most comic superheroes look like fitness models in bodypaint as drawn. Beautiful people in dynamic poses, that's the visuals of the medium.
But on the other hand, she's not repulsive either, she's got lots of splashy visual powers that light up the screen (definitely a superheroine instead of a normal person), and we get some decent space action with the Crees etc.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 12:12 pm to Sentrius
Bitch some more why don't you
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