re: OFFICIAL - The Dark Knight Rises Discussion Thread - *SPOILERS*

howdy, I'm back for more

for me, one of the few bright spots of this movie was Hathaway's Catwoman. I thought she straddled the mix of realism vs cartoon the best in this movie. Not quite on a par with the sociopathic Joker from the second movie, but better than Bane in this; better than Scarecrow or Ra's al Ghul in Begins. Felt like she, alone, would have lured Batman back out of retirement after she messed with him by stealing the pearls (granted, that would have been a different movie if it was just her and a bunch of corporate crooks and bland terrorists).
If you broke the plot more to Bruce is in a funk early, and they face Bane more later, I could see some good action between Batman and Selena. Bruce could "catch her," but only as Batman, and seeing as he's more a public enemy than she is (early movie), makes for some tricky shadow works for Bruce. So they joust a bit but eventually he can't bring her in, since he doesn't want to go public again. And he doesn't just knock her out to leave for the cops because she's more a stealthy burgler than a violent thug, and that clashes with his sense of justice. Besides, he might not even want to beat her, just feel alive again, and she's making him have to think for the first time in 8 years. Maybe he even intends to use Batman to "scare her straight".
Something like this might make her more open to Bane's offer to take Wayne down, since it lets her slip away before the Batman can get her. Would lead into Bruce taking more interest in life again, making him more vulnerable to Tate/Talia (because he can't get Selena, who sneers at Bruce and fears Batman). Talia could then feed the info she legitimately gets from her seduction of Bruce to Bane, so we see (later) THATS how he knows where everything is. Talia stabbing him would be more of a bitch to Bruce, and Selena at some point, realizing what she's done (and why Batman suddenly got on her arse), swaps over to Batman's side.

There are hints of this in the plot. Bruce re-enters both the world at large and the Batcave after Selena rips him off, and he's more intrigued than angry.

Maybe it was 2 stories at first, catwoman being the 3rd and Bane the 4th, and the 2 got merged.

I will say this, though. There were at least two instances in the film where I said to myself "WTF?". The first was when Gordon knew there was a guy named Bane down in the sewers. There could be some deleted scenes or dialogue that was left on the cutting room floor but that doesn't matter because it isn't in the final cut and therefore is not canon. How the hell did Gordon know what the masked man's name was? Come on Nolan...you're smarter than this.

The worst gaffe though comes toward the end of the movie when Batman rescues Gordon out on the ice. He asks where Miranda Tate is and Gordon tells him she's at City Hall with Bane. But Batman should have known this because he literally saw her there two scenes before that one.

Those are really the two biggest problems I had with the movie. I also didn't like how it didn't show how Batman survived the nuclear explosion but I was able to get over that rather quickly because I didn't want him to die in the end anyway.

So there....all those who believe I think this movie to be perfect. There are two somewhat big flaws I found in the movie. But it does nothing to reduce how much I liked the film. It's definitely not the best film of the trilogy but it sure as hell is my favorite.

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The first was when Gordon knew there was a guy named Bane down in the sewers. There could be some deleted scenes or dialogue that was left on the cutting room floor but that doesn't matter because it isn't in the final cut and therefore is not canon. How the hell did Gordon know what the masked man's name was? Come on Nolan...you're smarter than this.

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I would assume he knew it from being dragged through their sewer headquarters. It's not a reach to conclude he overheard the name Bane once or twice from the guards. He was dazed but still conscious.

He did hear his name.

thanks. I haven't even really seen the movie yet. tee hee.

Ok just saw the movie. Really enjoyed it. There were a few moments that felt kinda..empty I guess but still thought highly of the movie.

Obviously there was only so much that Hardy could do with Bane but I think he nailed it. Holy shite at the look in his eyes during his speech.

I think I liked the idea of Bane's character more than the joker but Ledger's performance was just too good. The first scene of TDK sold me. The joker could control chaos like no other.

Anyways awesome movie. I'll probably go see it again.

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However, those who bitched about the state of the uniforms of the cops needs to STFU and watch it again.

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Wow, haters are REALLY stretching for reasons to dislike this movie

I'll probably sneak in one more time just to see that one sequence.

I didn't see scattered light.

At all.

I saw shadows.

And pointing out other people isn't really evidence, because I don't remember anyone saying they saw it too on their first viewing. They saw your explaination and then noticed the shadows in a subsequent viewing, and took it as explaination


As of now, I'm saying I didn't see it, and I was looking for it. May turn out to be wrong but I'm not going to pretend to see something I didn't.

All I saw was something like quick shadows from passing through clouds (even though he was flying too low for that....fog is possible).

I only noticed it because I was focusing so much on the shot of the cockpit and the the lighting was distracting me. In a millisecond I went from internally complaining about the lighting to "oooooh"

I need to see it again but such obvious lighting was probably intentional since that scene is going to be watched and scrutinized 50,000,000 times over, and they had to know that when they put it in the script. It may not be underwater, I'll admit, but it's intentional and important to the ending.