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re: Obtuse Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice TD review thread (SPOILERS p5+)
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:08 pm to Fewer Kilometers
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:08 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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I like Kevin Smith as a personality and as a fan, but no one is going to change the course of their billion dollar franchise based on his reaction to a movie.
Didn't suggest that. Just pointing out that this isn't some crass critic with an agenda against comic book movies some Marvel fanboy hating on DC. Not only is his a film maker (again, how great of one is certainly debatable) but he's about as big a DC fan as you're going to find AND has personal ties to the movie that would otherwise make him predisposed to say something nice.
Still couldn't.
I was expecting him to really go out of his way to not say anything negative, but he surprised me...or more importantly, made me kind of sad thinking that if this guy sounded this upset about what he saw (and keep in mind he was pretty excited beforehand based on nothing but the trailers and his hope for the best) then I'm gonna be pretty bummed out.
I think it'll be a more interesting listen when he talks more in depth about the movie on his other podcast Fatman on Batman as is able to talk specifics.
I was just placing it here in case anyone found it added anything...
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Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:13 pm to GeauxTigerTM
Holy crap. The CIA agent that got shot in the beginning was Jimmy Olsen? What the hell, Snyder? You make Olsen into a more interesting character then just kill him off? And Mercy Graves too?
Why does he kill everything that could be awesome?
Why does he kill everything that could be awesome?
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:15 pm to Eman5805
I think he said something about those characters not fitting into the grand scheme of things. So he just included them as a nod to the fan base.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:26 pm to Eman5805
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Holy crap. The CIA agent that got shot in the beginning was Jimmy Olsen? What the hell, Snyder? You make Olsen into a more interesting character then just kill him off? And Mercy Graves too?
Why does he kill everything that could be awesome?
Because this makes the movie "dark," and by Snyder-logic "more mythological and complex."
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:27 pm to Freauxzen
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Because this makes the movie "dark," and by Snyder-logic "more mythological and complex."
Have you read his reasoning or are you going with your own?
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:29 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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Have you read his reasoning or are you going with your own?
It's half-joke, half-assessment. Mostly because his reasoning is kind of dumb.
"Fans like Jimmy Olsen, so I'll introduce him covertly, then kill him. They'll LOVE THAT!"
It's like he doesn't think things all the way through.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:29 pm to Salamander_Wilson
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Snyder on casting Eisenberg over Cranston
Casting Cranston over Eisenberg would have improved this movie infinitely.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:30 pm to theunknownknight
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I GUESS we are supposed to assume that
The title of this movie should have been:
Batman V Superman v Assumptions
He must have cut a ton from the film (more than the extra 30 we're getting), or he's just a terrible story teller. There are so many assumptions in the movie.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:33 pm to Freauxzen
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It's like he doesn't think things all the way through.
They had decided that they weren't going to be using the Olsen character in the series. So he thought that it would be a dramatic turn to introduce him quickly (played by Eisenberg) and shock the audience with his death. But they decided to use Eisenberg as Luthor and cut the introduction of Jimmy Olsen altogether. He appears in the credits as Jimmy Olsen as a nod to the character.
It could've been another Pa Kent/Tornado moment, but they decided against it. Which you would think would be a point for Snyder. But instead he's being chastised for even thinking of it.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:37 pm to Freauxzen
quote:I'm telling you, their was probably talk of this thing being two movies. I posted about it earlier.
He must have cut a ton from the film (more than the extra 30 we're getting), or he's just a terrible story teller. There are so many assumptions in the movie.
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You know what. I'm starting to think this leaked image from last year might in fact be legit.
They probably decided to keep it as one movie instead. What a fricking mess.
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I honestly think what happened is they announced the movie. Goyer wrote a script. They hired Batfleck. Batfleck wanted to bring in Terrio to rewrite. Terrio comes in and they decide that there's enough material to make two movies. Zack starts to shoot a good amount of footage. WB finally sees it and says "What the actual frick is this?" They decide to cut their losses, stop spending money, and try to dwindle it down to one movie. And that's how you get the abomination before you. There was SO much shite that just seemed like it was missing. And that was just one of the many issues wrong with it. Maybe I'm wrong, but it sure seemed like something like that happened.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:37 pm to abellsujr
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They're not going to incorporate the entire thing, but the elements are there.
They aren't at this point. Right now the movie audience knows of three established heroes, and three other meta humans. They know of a villain who was rambling of some other threat. I could see them building to a Great Darkness Saga type event, but not a Crisis in the DC scheme of things.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:40 pm to Freauxzen
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I get the symbolism
Plenty of movies use symbolism without direct evidence (Rosebud...). Snyder tends to go overboard with this though.
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origin
Yea still not understanding. Your asking if the visions are the origin or showing the origin of the New Gods? Darkseid in particular?
And as I've stated, I could be completely off the mark with what I was thinking while watching the movie. And there's a lot of comic book garble in my brain. But it's how I viewed it.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:44 pm to Freauxzen
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He must have cut a ton from the film (more than the extra 30 we're getting), or he's just a terrible story teller. There are so many assumptions in the movie.
He cast Jena Malone as Barbara Gordon and cut every one of her scenes.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:45 pm to Fewer Kilometers
Here is another question from a multitude that one walks away with from this film: How did Wonder Woman chop off Doomsday's hand and pierce his skin? Is her sword special and imbued with magical properties like in Kingdom Come? Is it the sword of Alexander the Great as was mentioned? I don't recall all of her weaponry being magic or God-given, only the bracelets and lasso. I suppose all will be answered in her stand alone flick.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:46 pm to Darkknight
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Yea still not understanding. Your asking if the visions are the origin or showing the origin of the New Gods? Darkseid in particular?
Ok let's cut the word origin. You say that's it's possible the dream were given to Batman from another god, possibly Metron. What evidence tells us that?
This post was edited on 3/28/16 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:46 pm to Darkknight
quote:He even started the movie with a "Rosebud" in his death scene.
Plenty of movies use symbolism without direct evidence (Rosebud...). Snyder tends to go overboard with this though.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:46 pm to BlackAdam
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a Great Darkness Saga
Would be Epic
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:47 pm to Rickety Cricket
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He cast Jena Malone as Barbara Gordon and cut every one of her scenes.
He should have done this to Lois.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:49 pm to BlackAdam
quote:Meh, that's kind of connected to Crisis.
They aren't at this point. Right now the movie audience knows of three established heroes, and three other meta humans. They know of a villain who was rambling of some other threat. I could see them building to a Great Darkness Saga type event, but not a Crisis in the DC scheme of things.
Maybe their going for kind of a New 52 take on it, but there are elements. I guess what I'm getting at is the existence of alternate timelines and such. They are grabbing from all over the place here.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:51 pm to Freauxzen
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What evidence tells us that?
In the movie. None, but the dreams themselves.
As you say, I said it's possible. Makes for conversations and whatnot...........
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