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re: Obtuse Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice TD review thread (SPOILERS p5+)
Posted on 3/25/16 at 2:45 am to Fewer Kilometers
Posted on 3/25/16 at 2:45 am to Fewer Kilometers
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You put the obtuse in obtuse.
OK, he saved a space shuttle, all the while making a quip with the military about holding the world hostage on his own terms. But why is Superman the ideal I should strive towards simply from the last 2 movies? I see no reason for him to be a role model whatsoever. He shouldn't have had a national funeral.
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Posted on 3/25/16 at 2:48 am to abellsujr
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God, the reactions on this movie are more mixed than anything I've ever seen.
I guarantee you they will be universally negative this time next year and will be looked at as one of the worst films of all time. I was ahead of the curb when it came to Man of Steel. I was ridiculed for a while over my opinion, only for most of the board to agree with it over time. This is far worse than Man of Steel. Man of Steel just had it's priorities in the wrong place. That was't this film's major issue. There's nothing right with BvS save for Affleck's and Iron's casting.
This post was edited on 3/25/16 at 3:23 am
Posted on 3/25/16 at 2:52 am to OMLandshark
The hypocrisy and group think on this board and the Internet in general is ridiculous.
When all of these very same and legitimate criticisms were leveled at the force awakens the response was "it's a Star Wars movie just enjoy it for it was don't expect a good plot or realistic motivations/scenarios."
Yet somehow the response to this isn't "it's a comic book movie just enjoy it for what it is." It's "how did Luthor just happen to hack into the Krptonian ship was such ease?" But not "how did Rey and Finn just run onto the Millenium Falcon under no guard or lock or anyway to prevent theft and magically learn how to fly it in ten seconds?"
When all of these very same and legitimate criticisms were leveled at the force awakens the response was "it's a Star Wars movie just enjoy it for it was don't expect a good plot or realistic motivations/scenarios."
Yet somehow the response to this isn't "it's a comic book movie just enjoy it for what it is." It's "how did Luthor just happen to hack into the Krptonian ship was such ease?" But not "how did Rey and Finn just run onto the Millenium Falcon under no guard or lock or anyway to prevent theft and magically learn how to fly it in ten seconds?"
Posted on 3/25/16 at 2:53 am to OMLandshark
I can't believe the person who said the whole audience cheered at the showing he went to. Not a peep when the credits started rolling in my theater. Just bewilderment.
Posted on 3/25/16 at 2:54 am to Fewer Kilometers
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thought that they handled that perfectly. People have been bitching non-stop since Man of Steel so they took that bullshite off of the table.
That they mentioned it like 8 times? No, it was utterly ridiculous. It is yet another instance of Zack Snyder throwing the baby out with the bath water. It is utterly ridiculous that there isn't a significant population in that area for a mile radius. They only bring it up due to the controversy of MoS, not due to a practical viewpoint. I would have found it funny if I weren't bored to tears by this point and begging for it to end.
Posted on 3/25/16 at 3:00 am to tigerfan88
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When all of these very same and legitimate criticisms were leveled at the force awakens the response was "it's a Star Wars movie just enjoy it for it was don't expect a good plot or realistic motivations/scenarios."
No, there are no same criticisms towards Star Wars. Star Wars had a 5 minute silent scene introducing its main character and you know everything about her. You can not say to me with a straight face that your criticisms with TFA are in the ballpark of my criticisms of this film. TFA was a pure passion project. In TFA every scene was deliberate and filled with passion of some kind, mostly joy.
Batman vs Superman is the exact fricking opposite of TFA. Why should I cheer for Superman in the movie? The dickhead ruins a guys truck (thus ruining his life) and destroys millions of dollars worth of taxpayers money just to laugh in their faces. I can give you at least 10 reasons why I should cheer from Rey simply from that opening sequence.
OK, was there in either MoS or BvS a scene as joyful as this: LINK? That's one fricking line and relatively minor. Tell me with a straight face that your Star Wars points are even worth pondering to my Superman points.
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Yet somehow the response to this isn't "it's a comic book movie just enjoy it for what it is." It's "how did Luthor just happen to hack into the Krptonian ship was such ease?" But not "how did Rey and Finn just run onto the Millenium Falcon under no guard or lock or anyway to prevent theft and magically learn how to fly it in ten seconds?"
I have yet to say anything about a single plot point. I don't think it made any sense, but the flaws in this movie are so severe that the plot is irrelevant to my complaints.
This post was edited on 3/25/16 at 3:09 am
Posted on 3/25/16 at 3:09 am to Salamander_Wilson
Just got back from a showing here in Hawaii.
I thought it was a decent film, not nearly as bad as everyone is making it out to be, but also nowhere near the level of quality I was hoping for.
Interestingly enough, the film's biggest weakness was what I thought was going to be its greatest strength: the script. But Chris Terrio was all over the place with his storytelling.
I'll give this film the same grade I gave MoS: B-.
I thought it was a decent film, not nearly as bad as everyone is making it out to be, but also nowhere near the level of quality I was hoping for.
Interestingly enough, the film's biggest weakness was what I thought was going to be its greatest strength: the script. But Chris Terrio was all over the place with his storytelling.
I'll give this film the same grade I gave MoS: B-.
Posted on 3/25/16 at 3:15 am to BlacknGold
How does Superman get blamed for a bombing? I know he's present at the bombing but he's never "bombed" anything before. If he wanted to kill a bunch of people in the senate wouldn't he have used his actual powers to do that?
Posted on 3/25/16 at 3:28 am to red_giraffe
Oh and by the way, how awful were those cameos? Those are the all time worst. I mean Aqua Man swimming out of the Titanic? Cyborg being assembled? Flash at a gas station? Holy shite, that's the sloppiest cameos I've ever seen.
This post was edited on 3/25/16 at 3:28 am
Posted on 3/25/16 at 3:45 am to OMLandshark
I haven't seen it yet. I'm legit asking this question cause it doesn't make sense. I've heard from multiple sources though that those cameos were so stupid and shoe-horned.
Posted on 3/25/16 at 3:52 am to red_giraffe
definitely shoe horned it but mostly because of timing. The same reveals could have happened earlier and they wouldn't have felt so out of place.
They were kinda stupid but not terrible.
They were kinda stupid but not terrible.
Posted on 3/25/16 at 3:53 am to red_giraffe
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How does Superman get blamed for a bombing? I know he's present at the bombing but he's never "bombed" anything before. If he wanted to kill a bunch of people in the senate wouldn't he have used his actual powers to do that?
It's so fricking ridiculous. Not only does the Capitol get bombed with Lex there and miraculously surviving, but his business is bombed at the exact same time for where reason. I still don't understand this and why Lex wasn't arrested immediately for such a dumb plan.
Posted on 3/25/16 at 3:59 am to OMLandshark
Again, I haven't seen the movie. But given the fact that they make a big deal about people being afraid of Superman, shouldn't it be more logical that the public would think someone else set off the bomb in order to try killing Superman?
Posted on 3/25/16 at 8:01 am to OMLandshark
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Not only does the Capitol get bombed with Lex there and miraculously surviving, but his business is bombed at the exact same time for where reason.
Huh?
Lex obviously left before the bombing. They made a point of showing his empty chair.
His company wasn't bombed. Batman caused the damage stealing the chunk of krypronite. Again, they made a point of showing a Batarang at the site.
Edited to fix the Lex autocorrect
This post was edited on 3/25/16 at 8:14 am
Posted on 3/25/16 at 8:06 am to VinegarStrokes
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uh?
Lexington obviously left before the bombing. They made a point of showing his empty chair.
His company wasn't bombed. Batman caused the damage stealing the chunk of krypronite. Again, they made a point of showing a Batarang at the site.
This just shows people don't pay attention anymore they just want to bitch
Posted on 3/25/16 at 8:43 am to RollTide1987
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I thought it was a decent film, not nearly as bad as everyone is making it out to be, but also nowhere near the level of quality I was hoping for.
Same here. The problem is it doesn't have much re watchability to me. I've been invited to watch it with some buddies on Sunday and I don't think I want to go. It wasn't a bad film, but it just takes itself way too serious. Such a joyless film.
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'll give this film the same grade I gave MoS: B-.
I think MOS is a superior film.
One question I do have is what happens if Doomsday were to win? What exactly does Lex plan on doing with that? So he's getting rid of one alien and creating another even worse version? It's just dumb.
Posted on 3/25/16 at 8:43 am to Mad_Mardigan
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Batman/Bruce Wayne- Let me start off by saying this is a different Batman than were accustomed to
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Superman- Struggling with being a god basically. He does kind of act like a bitch but let's be clear. SInce the Metropolis/Zod incident 3 years ago he hasn't exactly squared up with anything close to his level. I felt like he's still learning his abilities somewhat and afraid to take things to the heights they need to go for fear of being even more polarizing.
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Lex Luthor- Not sure what to say here. I feel like people will decide if they like him on their own. I was kind of meh on him for now but the character could absolutely evolve and become less immature. He seemed like a bratty teenager wanting so bad to be the coolest kid in school. I dunno.
Still haven't seen it...but these are the kinds of things which, as much as anything else, seems to point to either Snyder being simply unwilling to use the source materials at his disposal or WB/DC simply not grasping what they have.
I hate to make a comparison to Marvel, but since we live in the world of superhero movies launched by their success, it's impossible not to. What Marvel has done so wonderfully is TRUST THE MOTHERfrickING SOURCE MATERIALS. Where there have been tweaks they've been minor...but they've mostly accepted the fact that their characters have been world-wide successes for decades in print and it might actually be ok to simply use them as is. They're not afraid of what made fans love them in the first place...they embrace it.
Which begs the question...what's so wrong with Superman and Batman that you have someone say, "this is a different Batman than we're accustomed to." WTF? Was Batman broken? We've seen TREMENDOUSLY great portrayals of Batman in the various animated movies...and they're not all the same, but they honor the character. Why is WB/DC allowing such drastic retakes on their franchise characters?
For frick's sake...thanks to Marvel taking all the initial risk of priming the world for these superhero movies, creating a DCU should have been like taking candy from a baby. There are tons and tons of ready made stories available with characters the world loves and a team which most regular people know FAR MORE than they did for The Avengers. Even better, they had already launched a successful TV universe with two heroes that could have been sewn into their movieverse...and decided to recast and go different there too. Why feel the need to reinvent the wheel or test the audience with "new" takes on their most loved characters? Almost feels like a dare or bet to see if they can do whatever they want and force the audience to like it...like the new take on Ghostbusters.
Makes no god damned sense...
Posted on 3/25/16 at 8:48 am to Sentrius
I loved the Bruce Wayne email to Wonder Woman at the end. Dumbest thing I've ever seen in a movie of this magnitude.
Wayne: "this doesn't just look like you...
It IS you."
Dumbest thing ever. Here's the real world response.
Wonder Women: "No shite?
PHOTOSHOP retard..."
Wayne: "this doesn't just look like you...
It IS you."
Dumbest thing ever. Here's the real world response.
Wonder Women: "No shite?
PHOTOSHOP retard..."
This post was edited on 3/25/16 at 9:03 am
Posted on 3/25/16 at 8:58 am to LucasP
I said when this movie was announced that I had no interest and that it would probably suck. Even if the reviews were good I would have no interest. Ducks for the fans who wanted it to be good though
Posted on 3/25/16 at 8:58 am to GeauxTigerTM
I agree 100%. They should have seen what Marvel did and followed suit. Not a complete copy and paste but it should be much easier than what they've done. It seems like most people just want something enjoyable. They over thought the whole Universe, plain and simple. Like they knew the characters better than the general public which, clearly, they do not. Even people who have a small knowledge of the DC characters know that this portrayal was off somehow. I overheard people walking out of the theater just confused by the whole thing. I think this is primarily because they crammed in way more than they should have and it was difficult to follow. For the average movie goer anyways. I felt like you have to have a good knowledge of all DC properties to not be totally confused by the end.
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