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re: New Netflix docu-series "Making a Murderer" (Spoilers)

Posted on 2/18/16 at 1:26 pm to
Posted by KG6
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Posted on 2/18/16 at 1:26 pm to
I can agree. But how screwed up is it that he got convicted on the other story. Then Dassey got convicted because of drawings of the attack and crazy stories I can only assume he at least partially made up. I think that's the entire point of the documentary. They muddied this thing up so much that at the very least, they ran the risk of a mistrial on a person who actually committed the crime.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 2/18/16 at 1:37 pm to
quote:

My abbreviated theory:


Much as we disagreed over the years on the poliboard, we're about 95% in agreement on how this actually went down.

I think he was obsessed with Theresa and planned the rape. Either before or after he decided, "No body, no crime. They will never believe the cops accusing me of anything. If they do, I'll say they planted the evidence." So, he killed her afterwards to keep her from telling. Again - he's not an intellectual superpower, but he is clever and manipulative. He also thinks he is more clever than he actually is. Part of his motivation is that "they owed him one."

I'm lining up with the balance of your theory - certainly supportable by a preponderance of the evidence.

Is it beyond a reasonable doubt though?

This post was edited on 2/18/16 at 1:38 pm
Posted by abellsujr
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 2/18/16 at 1:54 pm to
I think you would have to accept some of the evidence that was found at the scene by the sheriffs department for it to be beyond a reasonable doubt. There are just too many questions out there regarding the conflict of interest for me to accept any of the evidence they found. However, I'm pretty confident that Avery is a piece of shite person.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 2/18/16 at 1:56 pm to
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Is it beyond a reasonable doubt though?



If I were in the jury I would have said look i'm not saying he's not guilty but I can't convict someone off this shite show. Top to bottom everyone involved in this deal is shady as hell. Let's have a hung jury and they can try again to convict.
This post was edited on 2/18/16 at 1:57 pm
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 2/18/16 at 1:57 pm to
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If I were in the jury I would have said look i'm not saying he's not guilty but I can't convict someone off this shite show. Top to bottom everyone involved in this deal is shady as hell. Let's have a hung jury and they can try again to convict.


Again, I'm pretty close to here as well.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
39417 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:02 pm to
Someone on the jury should have forced a hung verdict...at the very least to get a new trial with a different judge...if his portrayal in the movie is accurate he sucked...made some terrible rulings and seemed like a lackey for prosecution. It seemed like the defense was not afforded the leeway the prosecution was afforded.
Posted by PeterPeterP
Member since Jan 2013
781 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 3:54 pm to
I think the "excused juror" that still hangs around would have been the ticket to the hung jury. I think that is why he won't let it go.
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 2/18/16 at 4:04 pm to
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There was a limited amount of blood from the shooting in the garage that was cleaned.


They found no evidence of blood or the cleanup of blood in the garage.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 2/18/16 at 4:18 pm to
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or the cleanup of blood


They did find bleach stained jeans in the trailer, that was not included in the documentary.

FYI bleach is an effective DNA removal agent.
Posted by StickD
Houston
Member since Apr 2010
11832 posts
Posted on 2/22/16 at 10:59 am to
Zellner going hard

Hmmmm

Eta: Zellner is SAverys new lawyer
This post was edited on 2/22/16 at 11:02 am
Posted by JOJO Hammer
Member since Nov 2010
12396 posts
Posted on 2/22/16 at 12:22 pm to
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Man the most fricked up part about this was how they did that 16 year old kid in episodes 3 and 4 he was so dumb and they just got him to say what ever even


I was asking myself if he was actually competent enough to stand trial. I don't think he knew what was going on. He was more concerned with missing wrestlemania.
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 2/22/16 at 12:34 pm to
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They did find bleach stained jeans in the trailer, that was not included in the documentary.



Yeah, in Brendan Dassey's trailer, not Steven Avery's.
Posted by Mr. Wayne
Member since Feb 2008
10086 posts
Posted on 2/22/16 at 12:53 pm to
I could be wrong, but from what his original lawyer said, standard bleach does not completely remove DNA and there would have been trace amounts remaining had there actually been blood on the jeans to begin with.
Posted by Minden tiger
Minden,Louisiana
Member since Apr 2006
3337 posts
Posted on 2/22/16 at 2:20 pm to
Here is my take on why SA never crushed the car and it's quite simple/logical

SA knowing what he had done and knowing the police would instantly think of him, was afraid that he would be caught in the act. He didn't know it would be three or four days before Teresa was reported missing, in fact, I'll bet SA expected to hear from authorities as soon as the next morning. In Steve's mind, their was no safe way to get rid of the car, so he sat and hoped that it wouldn't be discovered during any investigation.

The police definitely searched Avery's property in secret. No way the only two people the police gave a camera to stumbled upon that car within minutes of beginning their search.

SA killed TH, but should have been found not guilty, as fricked up as that sounds.

One question I have, did they ever say what happened to TH's camera? Was it found it the burn barrel?
Posted by tccdc
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Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 2/22/16 at 2:29 pm to
quote:

I could be wrong, but from what his original lawyer said, standard bleach does not completely remove DNA and there would have been trace amounts remaining had there actually been blood on the jeans to begin with.


This is exactly right, common bleach is not effective for removal of DNA and blood that seeps down into the cement.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 2/22/16 at 4:55 pm to
quote:

FYI bleach is an effective DNA removal agent.


But not the removal of blood.
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
Member since Nov 2012
52282 posts
Posted on 2/22/16 at 5:13 pm to
Bro, Avery was smart enough to pour bleach in every crack on his property
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 2/22/16 at 5:23 pm to
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Someone on the jury should have forced a hung verdict.



I believe I read the initial voting was in favor of acquittal. I forget the numbers, but I think there were 3 votes to convict, and the rest to acquit. Coincidentally or not, there were 3 people on the jury with ties to the sheriff's department. The voting swung allegedly on jurors fearing retaliation from the sheriff's department, at least according to one of the jurors.
Posted by TheIrishFro
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 2/26/16 at 8:51 am to
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This post was edited on 5/4/23 at 8:52 am
Posted by LSU999
Member since Nov 2012
9250 posts
Posted on 2/26/16 at 9:32 am to
The cop with the flat top called in the SUV`s Tag to dispatch as if he was looking at it, before it was allegedly found on SA`s property. He has statements that catch him in lies and has no answer for other questions.
That looks very suspicious as does the tampered blood vials.

It`s a messed up story all around, but there are way to many things that county`s sherrifs dept. did that they weren`t suppose to be involved in.

Lots of coincidences.
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