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re: New Netflix docu-series "Making a Murderer" (Spoilers)

Posted on 2/6/16 at 9:15 am to
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
Member since Nov 2012
52282 posts
Posted on 2/6/16 at 9:15 am to
The most difficult thing about crushing a car is finding a crusher.
Posted by thetempleowl
dallas, tx
Member since Jul 2008
16062 posts
Posted on 2/6/16 at 10:21 am to
I frankly don't care how long it takes to crush a car. It is not something that can be easily done by one person. A highly motivated person, knowledgeable person can do it perhaps with help perhaps by themselves without to much difficulty. However, it would take some amount of time.

First, lets think about a couple of questions. First, is steven Avery a highly motivated person? There is little doubt on this fact. The man is a dynamo. I mean he burned a body he was trying to hide that same day. He burned the cell phone and the palm pilot. He cleaned up the blood. He drove the car to the salvage yard. He made calls to cover his tracks. Therefore, there is little doubt that if he did it and did all these other things, well then that doesn't make sense.

There. Steven Avery did all this other stuff but didn't crush the car. He must be innocent.
Posted by thetempleowl
dallas, tx
Member since Jul 2008
16062 posts
Posted on 2/6/16 at 10:25 am to
EXCEPT...

SA burned the body right outside of his house and never moved the bones. SA burned the palm pilot and phone right outside of his house and never moved the burned pieces. He never even bothered to clean his blood out of the car. He never purchased new bedding to replace the ones burned in the burn pit. He left a bullet behind. He stupidly called her phone asking her why she didn't show up and first told the cops that she never showed up after then mentioning that oh yeah, she was there. I don't know why I made that phone call saying she wasn't there. All he did do was burn the body, purse, and clean up a couple of other places with bleach. He did the minimal amount possible and never went back thereafter to cover his tracks.

If he left the bones right outside of his house, well leaving the car hidden in a huge salvage yard covered with multiple other things really isn't that much of a stretch, now is it?

So lets not get tied up on the minutia.
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
Member since Nov 2012
52282 posts
Posted on 2/6/16 at 11:02 am to
Avery didn't do any of that shite. He's 100% innocent
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
11377 posts
Posted on 2/6/16 at 11:20 am to
quote:

I'm not going to argue with you over the difficulty of crushing a car. You think it's a tall task, I think it's very doable in the timeframe he had. We'll just agree to disagree.


I just don't think that it matters. People try to use it as a claim to prove doubt (why he didn't do it?), when I don't think it proves anything. Crushed or not crushed, the car would have been found on the property. That is a huge factor to me. That shows me that the car never left. There isn't one scenario that would make any sense, where Hallbach leaves the property and then someone somehow brings the car back. Everybody is brushing that aside and focusing on the wrong thing. The car is on the property.
Posted by thetempleowl
dallas, tx
Member since Jul 2008
16062 posts
Posted on 2/6/16 at 11:22 am to
quote:

Avery didn't do any of that shite. He's 100% innocent


No fricking doubt. I agree with you. Look at my prior post a couple of pages ago. It is simply amazing to see the sheer amount of planted evidence by the police. And it all makes so much sense.

I mean the bones outside the house were planted by the cops. Where did the cops get the bones? IDFGAS, they were obviously planted by the cops.
SA blood in the car? Planted by the cops. Hell, even the fbi is in on it. The stuff in the burn barrel? planted.

I mean the confession was totally coerced and then the police went back and added all this proof. Its crazy. Think of how complex a job the police did. Where did they get the car to plant? Where did they get the bones to plant? Where did they get the blood to plant? Where did they get the key to plant? How did they go back in time and put bleach stains on BD clothes that night?

It is an amazing job. Now I'm not saying the police killed TH, because that might be pushing it.

Hey, look over there! There was a serial killer in the state!

Now like I was saying, I'm not saying the police did it. Just they came across all these clues and planted they to make avery look like he did it and then got BD to confess for no reason other than the fact that these police are just mean. Why be mean against BD, a guy who never had a criminal record? Hell I don't know and I don't care, but they did it.

Oh, look over there! There is a picture of TH showing her holidng a keychain with multiple keys! They only found a key. Where did the rest go?

So look, I'm with you 100%. The Manawhatever the name of the county police department cleverly set up this amazing frame job of poor old steve avery encompassing multiple people, multiple departments, and over the course of months even involving the fbi. Yet not a single person has come forward yet. It is amazing. This department is so stupid it kinda messed up an amazingly simple investigation, yet was able to to weave a huge conspiracy together at great risk for many people involved.

I'm with you. SA is innocent. More importantly, I want to know how the police department pulled it off and more important who actually killed TH.

Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 2/6/16 at 2:08 pm to
Like I said, just as bad...
Posted by reddman
Member since Jul 2005
78195 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 8:29 pm to
I'm just now finishing this up, and all I have to say is that I want to hit the lead prosecutor in the face with a shovel because of the tone in his voice when he is addressing the jury during any opening or closing argument.

frick that dude.
Posted by 632627
LA
Member since Dec 2011
15105 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 9:32 pm to
quote:

Bottom line is, Steven is responsible for taking two lives. Murdering Teressa and taking Brendan's life away from him.



i agree, i am 95% sure he killed teresa.

BD is a lot more complicated. I think he was involved somehow. Whether the involvement was just cleaning up(still a serious crime) or partaking in the rape/murder I'm not sure. What i do know is that any involvement would have been due to force/coercion by his uncle. So yes, steve avery took 2 lives
Posted by wish i was tebow
The Golf Board
Member since Feb 2009
46124 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 9:37 pm to
I'm not saying hes innocent. I just don't know how you can watch that and be 95% sure he killed her
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
39417 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 10:15 pm to
Nobody should be convicted by that evidence. It's up to the State - not for you to prove your innocence.

It seems the burden gets lower and lower...unless you're OJ and have money.
Posted by reddman
Member since Jul 2005
78195 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 11:38 pm to
I think it's important to do outside reading about what wasn't included in the documentary before forming a final opinion. I'm in the process of doing that now.
Posted by 13SaintTiger
Isle of Capri
Member since Sep 2011
18406 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 11:53 pm to
quote:

SA burned the body right outside of his house and never moved the bones.


I mean shite man, if your first sentence is full of fallacy why would you expect someone to read the rest of your dribble? You need to tighten up your shot group and give it another try ol sport.

Posted by CBLSU316
Far Right of Left
Member since Jun 2008
11429 posts
Posted on 2/16/16 at 10:38 am to
Well I guess all the Steven Avery hype is over.........dude was on the front page for weeks........:crickets:
This post was edited on 2/16/16 at 10:44 am
Posted by The Sad Banana
The gate is narrow.
Member since Jul 2008
89507 posts
Posted on 2/16/16 at 10:45 am to
Well, Adnan Syed had his PCR hearing last week-ish. That was pretty interesting.
Posted by Dubosed
Gulf Breeze
Member since Nov 2012
7633 posts
Posted on 2/16/16 at 9:37 pm to
Me and my wife watched the first three episodes last night. I'm not going to sit through that crap anymore. I feel for that 16 year old kid. Those scum bag detectives knew exactly what they were doing and railroaded him. frick that
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
Throbbing Member
Member since Dec 2012
70096 posts
Posted on 2/16/16 at 9:56 pm to
quote:

I think it's important to do outside reading about what wasn't included in the documentary before forming a final opinion. I'm in the process of doing that now.






Prepare yourself. The tards don't like objective opinions.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
88509 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 11:10 am to
My abbreviated theory:

1. Steven killed Theresa, possibly accidentally during a rape. He freaked out and tried to make it look premeditated, then said frick it and burned her to cover it up. Alternatively he could have just been a sick frick who enjoys murder. Either way I'm 99% convinced he did it based on information not included in the documentary.

2. Cops found the car on the Avery property, but it was an illegal search, so they went to the citizens searching and said look we know where it is but we need you to "find it" so it's legal. Gives them a camera and tells them where on the property to look.

3. Cops planted the key

4. Ex-BF was crazy and obsessed with her. Freaked out he would get blamed when she went missing so he, knowing her passwords, called in and deleted messages of him sounding like a crazy person.

5. Dassey, at worst, helped Steven dispose of the body under duress.
This post was edited on 2/18/16 at 11:24 am
Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
10920 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 12:34 pm to
quote:

Either way I'm 99% convinced he did it based on information not included in the documentary.


I've always leaned towards him having done it over not doing it. Especially originally telling them he hadn't seen her, etc.

But nothing else adds up. Lots of evidence looks bad, but nothing goes together. Why would a guy scrub and trailer and garage of all blood after what would be a bloodbath, yet leave so many stupid things right out in the open? If he would have strangled her and they found the body in the car without any effort to hide things, I'd have no doubts. But instead, the prosecutions case leans on him being a master crime scene cleaner while at the same time being the most retarded criminal ever. I lean more to him doing it, but have a hard time putting someone in jail when you can't even tell the correct story of what was done.

Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
88509 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 1:07 pm to
quote:

Why would a guy scrub and trailer and garage of all blood after what would be a bloodbath


I don't think there was any bloodshed in the trailer. I don't think Dassey's fantastic story during his confession happened. There was a limited amount of blood from the shooting in the garage that was cleaned. As to why he didn't crush/cleanse the Rav4, I can't really say other than he was probably planning on crushing it but for whatever reason never got around to it.
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