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re: Mr. Plinkett reviews The Last Jedi

Posted on 8/30/18 at 8:48 am to
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 8/30/18 at 8:48 am to
If three spent more time on Anakin turning it could be great.
Instead. "I must go help Mace" to "frick you mace" to "I have to kill all the kids so that Panda may live"

Most of the third movie should have been the second and the third movie should have been his gradual change. Like killing seperatist and getting angry at Jedi.
Not one scene good, next scene killing kids.

Posted by ShamelessPel
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Posted on 8/30/18 at 8:52 am to
“Remember kids, if he sounds like a snake, it’s a mistake.”
Posted by The Easter Bunny
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Posted on 8/30/18 at 8:52 am to
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I think maybe I just hold the prequels in even lower esteem than most


I really hate the prequels and try and pretend they don't exist, but they didn't cause me to stop watching Star Wars. TLJ is so bad that it's almost killed my enjoyment of the OT. I certainly won't watch 9 and I don't know if I will watch any of this new trilogy again
Posted by LoveThatMoney
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Posted on 8/30/18 at 9:15 am to
What I find so befuddling is that people hold Star Wars up as this great achievement in film. A New Hope is riddled with hammy, over the top acting and poor pacing. Empire Strikes Back is actually a good movie. Return of the Jedi suffers from much of the same issues as a New Hope and feels very much like a foregone conclusion that you basically are just waiting for the inevitable. Don't get me wrong. They're fine movies. But the original trilogy isn't like the Godfather.

The prequels are bad, but they at least expand on the universe and play into the fan's desire to know more about what exactly is going on through history to lead to the Rebellion.

The sequels are bad and do not serve in any way to expand the universe or explore it's possibilities. So, really, you have 1 good movie, 2 pretty good movies, and 5 bad to terrible movies... And somehow people expect these movies to be amazing. It's time to wake up and wipe the nostalgia from your eyes. The majority of Star Wars is bad. On average, it's a pretty bad franchise. And yet there is so much to mine. It's sad, really.
Posted by theunknownknight
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Posted on 8/30/18 at 9:49 am to
The main reason I watch Star Wars is for the story and lore.

I was actually excited that Luke was FINALLY going to die. I’m glad he died. He could have been violated by the space cow, contracting space cow gonorrhea leading him down the slow rotting path of insanity where he hog ties Rey and hurls disdain at her healthy genitalia only to choke on his own penis scabs in a drunken stupor during the night and I could have lived with that as long as it was coherent with his established character and possibly new motivations.

Then I watched TLJ. One of the most incompetent stories I’ve ever witnessed.

Character motivations made little sense. Bone head decision after bone head decision. Almost every major plot point pressed forward either by idiocracy or dumb luck or NO REASON AT ALL. The heroes were inadvertently written, at best, as buffoons, and at worst, villains. The established rules of the Star Wars universe, needed to hold everything together were thrown out (fuel is now an issue, light speed is now a weapon, force ghosts can interact with the real world). No real direction.

I can deal with not even LIKING the direction of the story. But at least tell it SOMEWHAT intelligently.
This post was edited on 8/30/18 at 9:54 am
Posted by Brosef Stalin
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Posted on 8/30/18 at 9:56 am to
The popularity is based entirely on nostalgia.
Posted by TygerTyger
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Posted on 8/30/18 at 10:01 am to
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Draconian Sanctions



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Prequel reviews are way better, but more meat on that bone. As many issues as TLJ had it was at least made competently


I've come to the conclusion that everything about you is wrong.
Posted by BulldogXero
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 8/30/18 at 10:08 am to
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The established rules of the Star Wars universe, needed to hold everything together were thrown out (fuel is now an issue, light speed is now a weapon, force ghosts can interact with the real world). No real direction.


This is one of those things where I think "don't hyperspace lanes exist to prevent ships from colliding with each other and space debree?"

Using hyperspace travel as a weapon does kind of open up Pandora's box though.

I'm more annoyed by the idea of Hyperspace tracking
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 8/30/18 at 10:51 am to
I know what you’re saying. At least TLJ looked good visually. And the characters, even the stupid unlikable ones, acted with emotion.

Prequels looked right out of Tron where nothing was real, and the characters were all wooden with stilted flat humorless dialogue. JarJar was the “comic relief”.
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 8/30/18 at 10:58 am to
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Rey

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her healthy genitalia


You have my attention.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
73260 posts
Posted on 8/30/18 at 11:03 am to
They could have destroyed any Destroyer simply by building a remote piloted cruiser and sending it at light speed into a Galactic target.

How come Solo's ship wasn't destroyed when he jumped the Falcon out the hanger bay?
Posted by JabarkusRussell
Member since Jul 2009
15825 posts
Posted on 8/30/18 at 11:45 pm to
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But the original trilogy isn't like the Godfather.


Uh actually it is. Good movie topped by a better sequel followed by a let down.

I don't know how they show the end of the First Order in the next one. You already blew up their base and entire fleet. What's left to destroy? The destruction in TLJ should have occurred in 9.
This post was edited on 8/30/18 at 11:49 pm
Posted by PowerTool
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Posted on 8/31/18 at 12:28 am to
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He could have been violated by the space cow, contracting space cow gonorrhea leading him down the slow rotting path of insanity where he hog ties Rey and hurls disdain at her healthy genitalia only to choke on his own penis scabs in a drunken stupor during the night


Little too predictable.
Posted by JabarkusRussell
Member since Jul 2009
15825 posts
Posted on 8/31/18 at 2:30 am to
Why did Luke search for the hidden Jedi temple only to do nothing when there? When Han talked about Luke looking for it, it sounded like he did so in order to find secrets that could aide the Resistance. Why couldn't Luke go to Dagobah "to die" instead? There was literally no reason to go to Achto.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
69895 posts
Posted on 8/31/18 at 5:56 am to
I'm sure JJ Abrams intended to give us a few answers before Rian Johnson came in and threw out his treatments for both Episode VIII and Episode IX.

If Episode IX disappoints at the box office next year, Johnson will go down as the person who killed Star Wars. And seeing what an egotistical little bitch he is, he'll probably enjoy that title.
Posted by Salamander_Wilson
Member since Jul 2015
8267 posts
Posted on 8/31/18 at 7:21 am to
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Good movie topped by a better sequel followed by a let down.


Fair enough, but Return of the Jedi is light-years better than Godfather 3.
Posted by bamafan1001
Member since Jun 2011
15783 posts
Posted on 8/31/18 at 8:25 am to
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I don't know how they show the end of the First Order in the next one. You already blew up their base and entire fleet. What's left to destroy? The destruction in TLJ should have occurred in 9.


There is an unlimited supply of space Nazis in the Star Wars universe
Posted by abellsujr
Member since Apr 2014
38105 posts
Posted on 8/31/18 at 10:39 am to
There's so many things in this movie that remind me of the way Zack Snyder approached BvS. Rian basically said " I'm going to take what you want and love out of Star Wars and shove it up your arse." He knew all of the things we wanted out of the continuation of this story and tried to frick all of it up. I will just never understand why some directors do this shite knowing that it's not going to go over well.
Posted by LoveThatMoney
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Posted on 8/31/18 at 11:27 am to
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Uh actually it is. Good movie topped by a better sequel followed by a let down.


They are similar in pattern only. The Godfather I and II are all time movies. They are routinely considered among the best movies ever made. Star Wars was unique at the time for its plot and technology. But with some perspective, the original Star Wars trilogy simply doesn't stand up. There are plotlines dropped (specifically I'm thinking of the Luke-Leia romance that they never really address after ANH), the acting is poo trash, and the movies drag in places as they struggle to find the next plotpoint. The original trilogy, even with its issues, isn't bad and is, in fact, overall good. But the rest of the movies have been so bad that the franchise has now become an overall pretty bad franchise. Except Rogue One, which was fun, the Disney experiment has been a failure in the eyes of fanboys and to sentient critics, and the prequels were an abortion. On balance, the Star Wars franchise and universe pales in comparison to the MCU, and yet it has so much to draw on that it is unbelievable to me that it could be handled so poorly as to be a butt of a joke.
Posted by LoveThatMoney
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Posted on 8/31/18 at 12:01 pm to
Double post. Stupid phone.
This post was edited on 8/31/18 at 12:02 pm
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