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re: Mr. Plinkett reviews The Last Jedi
Posted on 8/28/18 at 7:39 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 8/28/18 at 7:39 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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was pretty good but you can tell they're sick of it at this point. The prequel versions were labors of love, this felt like they were more going through the motions, though it was still great.
Yeah it was definitely not as thorough as the reviews. hell he pretty much gives up the plinkett accent halfway through the review
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Posted on 8/28/18 at 7:40 pm to tiggerthetooth
true they were the first ones doing this, now every a-hole has a reaction video 24 hours later. A TLJ reaction video 8 months after the fact wouldn't fly with anyone else.
This post was edited on 8/28/18 at 8:07 pm
Posted on 8/28/18 at 8:08 pm to MF Doom
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Yeah it was definitely not as thorough as the reviews. hell he pretty much gives up the plinkett accent halfway through the review
I was entertained. Mr Plinkett for the new Ghostbusters was hilarious and much funnier than the actual movie
Posted on 8/28/18 at 8:09 pm to ohiovol
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There are plenty of great movies and shows that pull this off.
Name one movie that doesn't have a good vs evil that's a drama.
Romance counts as good vs evil as love is "good".
Posted on 8/28/18 at 8:10 pm to Civildawg
A hilarious thing about TLJ is there are so many shitty scenes that you lose track of many of them on recollection.
Posted on 8/28/18 at 8:15 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Agreed didn't feel nearly as quality. I think they've also beat Star wars to death so much its hard for him to find anything new to say at this point and he even showed the scores of YouTube videos detailing it.
Yeah, if it weren’t for that, it could have been 4 hours. Honestly, I think he maybe should have waited 2 years before making it to see the true collateral damage the film caused.
Posted on 8/28/18 at 8:24 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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you can tell they're sick of it at this point
Heck the title of the review is called Star Wars The Last Plinkett Review. And he is clearly advocating a boycott at the end. I wouldn’t be surprised if they really are done with it unless something radical happens (retcon, Episode X, etc.). They’re as big of fans of Star Wars as anyone else.
Posted on 8/28/18 at 8:35 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Name one movie that doesn't have a good vs evil that's a drama.
To name a few I like, out of very many:
The Godfather
Fight Club
Sicario
Posted on 8/28/18 at 8:40 pm to ohiovol
The slapstick humor probably wasn’t the worst part of TLJ, but it’s definitely the most conspicuous horrible thing.
Posted on 8/28/18 at 8:51 pm to Havoc
Pizza Rolls in the microwave on Liquid Hot Magma setting.
Let's do this!
Edit:
Seeing how awful the deleted scenes were solidifies that Rian Johnson is a hack and Kathleen Kennedy deliberately tried to sabatoge this movie. Just awful attempts at comedy that were thankfully cut, but the tone at their heart is why this frick up of a film didn't work.
Let's do this!
Edit:
Seeing how awful the deleted scenes were solidifies that Rian Johnson is a hack and Kathleen Kennedy deliberately tried to sabatoge this movie. Just awful attempts at comedy that were thankfully cut, but the tone at their heart is why this frick up of a film didn't work.
This post was edited on 8/28/18 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 8/28/18 at 9:53 pm to BOSCEAUX
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Coyotes made of crystal meth.
The Wine Tasting was pretty good and made me laugh.
Subversion at its finest, by Mr. Johnson.
This post was edited on 8/28/18 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 8/29/18 at 2:39 am to tiggerthetooth
What I don't understand is Rian thinks the whole galaxy will suddenly be inspired by Luke standing up to the First Order. Uh, Luke defeated the Emperor and Vader alone as a pacifist. Does the galaxy have a short memory? That's far more impressive than what he did in TLJ. ROTJ should have inspired more force wielders not a fight that wasn't even real.
He made an excellent point about Luke not leaving the island and having Kylo reach out to Rey being the cliff hanger this film needed. At least that would give the audience one last chance to see Luke return in all of his glory in 9.
He made an excellent point about Luke not leaving the island and having Kylo reach out to Rey being the cliff hanger this film needed. At least that would give the audience one last chance to see Luke return in all of his glory in 9.
This post was edited on 8/29/18 at 3:15 am
Posted on 8/29/18 at 6:44 am to JabarkusRussell
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He made an excellent point about Luke not leaving the island and having Kylo reach out to Rey being the cliff hanger this film needed. At least that would give the audience one last chance to see Luke return in all of his glory in 9.
Agreed.
It would have actually given the audience something to look forward to as we would have no idea what would happen next. While it's true we still didn't know what was going to happen next, I'm pretty sure the filmmakers for Episode IX didn't know either. Rian Johnson had pretty much painted them into a corner in regards to where the story could be taken.
Posted on 8/29/18 at 7:57 am to MF Doom
I had almost been able to put Rian Johnson's raping of my childhood behind me and forgotten how he did his best to ruin my first love in life. Sadly, Mr. Plinkett brought all my hatred and vitriol back to the forefront.
Is there any fricking excuse as lame for liking something as saying my expectations were subverted? If the Hulk and Thor show up in Episode IX my expectations will be subverted, but I'm doubting I'd enjoy that. The wine tasting short was a beautiful visual representation of just how ridiculous this argument is. I just don't understand how so many people enjoyed this film when it essentially was the antithesis of everything Star Wars was meant to be.
Is there any fricking excuse as lame for liking something as saying my expectations were subverted? If the Hulk and Thor show up in Episode IX my expectations will be subverted, but I'm doubting I'd enjoy that. The wine tasting short was a beautiful visual representation of just how ridiculous this argument is. I just don't understand how so many people enjoyed this film when it essentially was the antithesis of everything Star Wars was meant to be.
Posted on 8/29/18 at 9:07 am to ohiovol
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Fight Club
Sicario
In Fight Club the audience is also seduced by the Tyler Durden alter-ego and is rooting for him. The moral ambiguity comes from questioning yourself for doing that.
In Sicario the audience is rooting for Emily Blunt and experiening this world of moral ambiguity she’s found herself in through her eyes. She’s the everyman we identify with. I’d argue she actually is a good person just doing her best in a grey world.
In TLJ, we aren’t really rooting for anyone. The Rebellion is run by a purple hair shrieking bitch and staffed by idiots, the New Order is bad people, Rey is a Mary Sue we can’t really identify with because she is perfect and doesn’t have normal human emotions.
But yeah, ambiguitiy CAN work, sometimes spectacularly. See two movies Jake G was in: Nightcrawler and Nocturnal Animals.
But ask yourself - is Star Wars anything like Nightcrawler or Nocturnal Animals?
The answer is NO.
Star Wars is a HERO STORY. Lucas based New Hope on The Hero With A Thousand Faces - which is an academic analysis of the Monomyth across cultures. Hero Stories are not supposed to be ambiguous whatsoever. “Subversion” didn’t work in this case because it was in violation of a fundamental human archetype. If “Rian” had ANY real education he would have known that.
Posted on 8/29/18 at 9:28 am to KingSlayer
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If the Hulk and Thor show up in Episode IX my expectations will be subverted, but I'm doubting I'd enjoy that. The wine tasting short was a beautiful visual representation of just how ridiculous this argument is.
In case someone doesn't want to sit through the entire review to find the Wine Tasting:
The Wine Tasting segment
Posted on 8/29/18 at 10:31 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Actually watched it and it was good and made some great points. Made me hate it more.
Every prequel I saw more than once in the theaters, every new star wars I saw more than once. Except TLJ.
I saw it once and will never watch it again.
Every prequel I saw more than once in the theaters, every new star wars I saw more than once. Except TLJ.
I saw it once and will never watch it again.
Posted on 8/29/18 at 10:55 am to Napoleon
What made that review particularly savage was... Plinkett was actually fair in the review. He didn't just heap scorn and abuse on them. Though there was plenty of that.
He examined point by point what they were trying to do... and how horribly they failed at it all. If I'm a Disney executive I can tolerate someone screaming in nerd rage at a bad movie. Someone systematically taking the movie apart and demonstrating how it fails, all while comparing it to people shitting their pants, is a lot harder to take.
Someone saying you suck you can shake off. Someone proving that you suck is a lot harder to shake off.
He examined point by point what they were trying to do... and how horribly they failed at it all. If I'm a Disney executive I can tolerate someone screaming in nerd rage at a bad movie. Someone systematically taking the movie apart and demonstrating how it fails, all while comparing it to people shitting their pants, is a lot harder to take.
Someone saying you suck you can shake off. Someone proving that you suck is a lot harder to shake off.
Posted on 8/29/18 at 11:58 am to Cooter Davenport
I’m certainly not saying Star Wars has to be ambiguous or anything like those other movies. I was just arguing that you can have moral ambiguity and still make it compelling enough for viewers. Also, having ambiguity doesn’t mean you can’t have a rooting interest. You can have good guys in the first order and bad guys in the resistance and still root for the resistance to win out in the end.
Again, Star Wars doesn’t have to do any of that. My issue wasn’t that it (apparently) tried to introduce some shades of gray, just that they did a shitty job of it.
Not to derail the thread any further, but the reason I mentioned those movies was to dispute that drama has to have a clear good side and bad side. It can, but it certainly doesn’t have to.
Again, Star Wars doesn’t have to do any of that. My issue wasn’t that it (apparently) tried to introduce some shades of gray, just that they did a shitty job of it.
Not to derail the thread any further, but the reason I mentioned those movies was to dispute that drama has to have a clear good side and bad side. It can, but it certainly doesn’t have to.
This post was edited on 8/29/18 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 8/29/18 at 12:21 pm to ohiovol
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I’m certainly not saying Star Wars has to be ambiguous or anything like those other movies. I was just arguing that you can have moral ambiguity and still make it compelling enough for viewers. Also, having ambiguity doesn’t mean you can’t have a rooting interest. You can have good guys in the first order and bad guys in the resistance and still root for the resistance to win out in the end.
Again, Star Wars doesn’t have to do any of that. My issue wasn’t that it (apparently) tried to introduce some shades of gray, just that they did a shitty job of it.
It can and does work for Star Wars in the side story stuff ("Rogue One"), but you can't do the ambiguity and subversion in the main story.
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