re: Matt Reeves' The Batman won't be part of DCEU; Ben Affleck will not star

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this is seriously getting ridiculous, DC has basically fired Snyder and moved on, and Tigerdroppings and fan fiction "journalist" still can't stop making shite up

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"Getting your wish" rarely placates movie fans. Snyder served well as a lightning rod. Now that he's gone, there's a general end of the world mentality when it comes to following DC/Warner.

Within hours we went from throbbing erections from the Scorsese announcement to gnashing of teeth and rending of garments over the threat of another Leto Joker movie. Then another Affleck rumor sets off a repeat of every thread that we've had for every other Affleck rumor.

Half of the bitching and moaning that people do about DC/Warner is about the threat of them doing something, and not their actually doing something.

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The foundation of DC is Batman and Superman - the stereotypical "World's Finest" - and, by extension, the Justice League.

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Marvel was built around X-Men and Spiderman and they built an amazing cinematic universe without the rights to any of them. They really don't have to stick to their "foundations"; and after what Snyder did to Superman and how awesome Wonder Woman was, I hope DC starts to move in a different direction than Superman as well.

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The foundation of DC is Batman and Superman - the stereotypical "World's Finest" - and, by extension, the Justice League.

If Warner can't or won't accept that, then I can't help them. (ETA: No one can.)

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The early pitch meetings went something like...

"So what's the deal with Superman and Batman?"
"Well, they team up each month, fight the Joker and Luthor or some other super-villains, sometimes Jimmy Olsen and Robin show up, we have seven decades of stories like that."
"What's the best selling Superman and Batman story?"
"Well, that's the Dark Knight Returns. It's not your typical Superman Batman story though..."
"Then let's go with Dark Knight Returns."
"And throw in that Death of Superman thing that we passed on for Man of Steel. We need to make sure this thing sells."

This is also why they jumped to Winter Soldier and Civil War for Captain America's first non-origin movies.

Wonder Woman has gotten really good recently and strength and abilities have come to be on-par with Superman lately and her villains are some of the absolute best in DC -

Just behind Aquaman, who actually has Justice League level villains. Aquaman in the last 17 years has probably been my favorite stretch of stories for any comic book ever.

Nightwing and Batgirl have been more interesting than Batman in a lot of ways the past few years

Affleck was good as Batman, and I'm sure he'll stick around, so there is no worry there in my mind. All of these stupid rumors have been proven to be false, so I'm not that worried.

and if you want to go to space - figure out a way to do the Green Lantern corps correctly and you will have a winning combination.

The rogues gallery for DC is extremely strong, and can make some amazing storylines. You don't have to specific heroes in DC - just do the rogues gallery justice (unlike the abomination that was "Doomsday" in BvS) - I mean, just from Wonder Woman and Aquaman alone you have 6 Rogues who could give the Justice League major problems.

Flash is ok, but they can't figure out if they want Wally West or Barry Allen - and I find their rogues gallery to be very, Flash centric with not a whole lot of enemies I want to see on the big screen.

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This is also why they jumped to Winter Soldier and Civil War for Captain America's first non-origin movies.

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If you mean going to popular source materials, than I'd agree.

But the big difference is that by the time you got Winter Solider in the MCU, you were 9 movies into their long story arc. Cap had already had his origin movie, been seen in Avengers and a brief "joke" cameo by Loki in Dark World. Heck...you even knew who Bucky was and had a feel for how much Cap loved him from the First Avenger.

And Civil War was #13, and much more of an Avengers movie than a stand alone Cap movie, regardless of the title.

I really see your point, and I'd agree with it if we were much further down the road with DCEU's plan and they had built to that with what they put on screen.

The problem most seem to have with DC here isn't that they used source materials, is that's they used inappropriate source materials for the time line their universe was in. at some point it would have been great to get to those two stories, but I see no good reason other than Snyder's love of TDKR to jump straight to an older Batman when you're starting a shared universe.

How WB screwed up the JL, Superman & Batman is beyond me. It's pretty simple stuff.

Here is what the universe should've looked like:

Superman Movie
Batman Movie
Superman sequel
Batman & Superman Movie (World's Finest)

You could play around with a little but I think you get the idea. A Batman & Superman could've been an epic movie experience. World's Finest should've been then source material, not The Dark Knight Returns.

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I've merely been criticizing the cult that surrounds the undying love for the MCU.

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this only exists in your mind

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throbbing erections from the Scorsese announcement

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No

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bullshite. You've been sucking them dry and denouncing anyone who bashes the decisions as Marvel fanboys.

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It's not my fault you chose to believe fake news.